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Post by Dave Beatty on Jul 31, 2019 1:01:50 GMT
Anybody out there have any idea why "they" made the Welsh longbow in list III/19b 4Lb whereas the Welsh pike at III/19c are 3Pk and the Welsh longbow in list IV/62b are 3/4Lb? Logic would tell me that they should be 3Lb or 3/4Lb.
Is the terrain of South Wales conducive to the employment of 'solid' bow whereas that of North Wales only conducive to 'fast' pike??
Seems to me it should all be fast foot given the terrain and nature of Welsh warfare.
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Post by macbeth on Jul 31, 2019 1:24:45 GMT
A quick question Dave. Are you reading the paperback or hardcover edition of the rules I am seeing 3Lb for the South Welsh (III/19b) in my much loved and ragged copy of the rules (hardcover edition) As for IV/64b where the option is for 3/4Lb - the solid option most likely indicates the progression towards semi professional archers that have serving in France. You gave me a scare, in that I thought that the South Welsh army I had prepared once DBA3 was released were wrongly based  I had the same revelation with III/40b Viking where the 3Bw from DBA2 morphed into 4Bw for DBA3 and I didn't notice - but fixing one element is not such a chore. Having to fix all 9 would have annoyed me a bit Cheers |
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Post by paddy649 on Jul 31, 2019 5:57:17 GMT
My South Welsh (III/19b) Army has Longbow that are all 3Lb
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Post by Dave Beatty on Jul 31, 2019 15:19:45 GMT
Oh ho! I seem to have been looking at my copy of the final draft. As I look at my new paperback I see they are now all 3Lb. Saner heads prevailed. Thanks. I was about to base up 9 elements of recently painted Welsh Lb incorrectly!!
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Post by vtsaogames on Aug 2, 2019 11:58:23 GMT
Oh ho! I seem to have been looking at my copy of the final draft. As I look at my new paperback I see they are now all 3Lb. Saner heads prevailed. Thanks. I was about to base up 9 elements of recently painted Welsh Lb incorrectly!! A close call! |
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Post by medievalthomas on Aug 2, 2019 18:34:05 GMT
As discussed the best depiction seemed to be Fast Longbow for "pure" welsh bowmen but as they adopted "professional" yeoman tactics they simply become standard Longbow.
It at least allows for a bit different feel.
Unfortunately I could not get Phil to do an adequate list for Own Gly Dwr revolt which embraced both south and north Wales.
TomT
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Post by scottrussell on Aug 3, 2019 7:56:18 GMT
Tom,
North Welsh have South Welsh as allies, even outside the dates listed for South Welsh stand alone army. Is that not an attempt to address your request?
Scott
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Post by paddy649 on Aug 3, 2019 9:50:15 GMT
So what does everybody think is the best way of playing the Welsh?
North? South? North with South Allies? Or South with North Allies?
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Post by Haardrada on Aug 3, 2019 10:13:54 GMT
North Welsh with French Allies. Or South Welsh with Feudal English Allies.
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Post by macbeth on Aug 4, 2019 23:42:06 GMT
Last year at Landwaster, David Osborne won using III/19c North Welsh with IV/23 Feudal English Allies
He had 4 wins from 6 and enough kills from his two losses for a score of 38 (all wins score a flat 8 pts)
Cheers
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Post by medievalthomas on Aug 8, 2019 21:40:55 GMT
Yes I understand the allies but - you must take one Cav and therefore can get only 2 Longbows with the South Welsh Ally.
The Gly Dwr's force should be much more heavily weighted to longbows.
Better:
1 Knight Gen (if using D3H2 can also be Mage) dismounts as Blade
1 Longbow (HYW veterans)
4 Fast Longbow
5 Fast Pike (or Fast Spear if using D3H2)
1 Fast Pike/Spear or Cav
TomT
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Post by paddy649 on Aug 8, 2019 22:03:54 GMT
TomT - I’d like that list but not under DBA 3.0!
.....unless I’m missing something?
At least III/19c North Welsh with IV/23 Feudal English Allies gives you a stack of 3Kn to augment the lethal 3Pk columns.....but not enough bow.
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