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Post by j on Jul 21, 2019 21:56:33 GMT
Double ranked Pk were engaged in combat to the front with Kn in Good Going &
then contacted in rear by LH
They lost the combat (Beaten, not Doubled) so front rank Pk is Destroyed NOT Recoiled
Is the rear rank Pk also destroyed?
Do Rear Support elements die if the front element is Destroyed even when there is no flank or rear contact?
Where does it say this?
Regards,
j
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Post by bob on Jul 22, 2019 2:48:42 GMT
Doesn’t this rule cover the situation? There is rear edge contact.
“An element that has an enemy front edge in contact with its side or rear edge is destroyed by recoiling, being pushed back, fleeing or being in a column whose front element is destroyed.”
Take out text not relevant
An element that has an enemy front edge in contact with its rear edge is destroyed by being in a column whose front element is destroyed.
One of the longest discussions among Phil’s helpers in the development of Dba three, was what happens to leftover elements in the column when the front rank is destroyed. Phil took the course that Alexander the great took with the Gordian knot. He just cut through it all and said they’re all destroyed.
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Post by j on Jul 22, 2019 14:41:14 GMT
Thanks.
I kinda read that but I do tend to get rule blindness when I am put on the spot in a game - I sort of know what should happen but can't put my finger on the exact situation in the rules.
Regards,
j
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Post by stevie on Jul 22, 2019 14:50:30 GMT
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Post by vtsaogames on Jul 22, 2019 18:31:30 GMT
Thanks. I kinda read that but I do tend to get rule blindness when I am put on the spot in a game - I sort of know what should happen but can't put my finger on the exact situation in the rules. Regards, j Astonishing how hard it is to find a rule in the middle of a game, a rule that you surely read just before the game. The appropriate song is Pressure Drop, by Toots and the Maytals Pressure Drop. |
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Post by eg407 on Jul 8, 2021 10:45:58 GMT
Hi all, Sorry to revive this thread, but this came up in one of our games and I am slightly confused by the answers given here. Two questions: Q1: Specifically the situation that occurred was where the front rank of Lh, with a Lh in rear support, was destroyed by Kn. There was no flank or rear contact on the column. Following this thread's responses, the Lh in rear support should have also been destroyed...Is that correct?? We thought this was the case, but could not work out the Barkerees in the rules. And annoyingly there are no Figures to show this 'simple' outcome. Q2: Is it correct that the same does not occur when the element behind is not providing rear support? In that case it is only the front element that is destroyed. Correct? It has been a while and the rules are a little rusty!  Thanks! EG |
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Post by menacussecundus on Jul 8, 2021 13:26:12 GMT
Hi eg407,
In this example was it just one Kn fighting one LH which had a second LH giving rear support? If that is the case, then nothing happens to the second LH if the one in front is destroyed. (However, the Kn will follow up and contact the second LH with combat occurring in the next bound.)
If there is another element which is in front edge to side edge contact with the LH, both LH would be destroyed - and this would be the case whether or not the rear element was providing support to the front one.
Regards,
Menacus S
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Post by eg407 on Jul 8, 2021 14:50:03 GMT
Hi Menacus S,
Thank you for the reminder. In that case we played it wrong!! Sadly it meant the loss of the game for my friend. Will make sure to play it correctly next time. I imagine some of the old DBM 'rear of death' thinking my have accidentally slipped in.
Thanks,
EG
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Post by medievalthomas on Jul 12, 2021 21:51:04 GMT
Elements in Rear Support are not Destroyed by the front element being Destroyed UNLESS both Elements have an opponent in Flank contact (a Hard Flank) such that they cannot Recoil or be Pushed Back.
TomT
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Post by bob on Jul 19, 2021 6:05:12 GMT
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