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Post by goldenhord on May 27, 2019 8:20:07 GMT
Guys,
Do you count an overlap if both fiogurines are facing the opposite ways and are in mutual flank contact ?
A facing B , B is overlaped by C which is facing the wrong way .
thx.
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Post by scottrussell on May 27, 2019 8:55:21 GMT
The answer to your question is "yes", although if you have posted a diagram, it does not seem to have downloaded.
Page 10, CloseCombat section.
"Any enemies in mutual flank edge contact overlap each other whether in close combat or not".
There appear to be no further qualifications to that sentence, although I have been on this forum long enough to know that alternative interpretations may exist.
Scott
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Post by goldenhord on May 27, 2019 9:14:31 GMT
ok thanks i did not put any diagram as it seems clear enough. They are overlapping each other but not in the same sense and I do count an overlap.
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Post by Vic on May 27, 2019 11:17:12 GMT
Yes, overlaps arising from side edge to side edge contact occur whether the elements are facing the same or opposite directions. It's pretty common for an impetuous element, say, Bd, in a line to pursue a recoiling element and become doubly overlapped (and, in turn, overlap the elements to both sides):
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Post by goldenhord on May 27, 2019 12:03:48 GMT
not exactly my question! on yoiur diagram SP in on one way my way ios opposite SP
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Post by Vic on May 27, 2019 13:33:57 GMT
Ah, you mean opposite not with respect to the enemy element it's overlapping, but with respect to the friendly element in combat with the enemy? Like this?
Yes, that still counts as an overlap.
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Post by timurilank on May 27, 2019 13:54:46 GMT
Yes, overlaps arising from side edge to side edge contact occur whether the elements are facing the same or opposite directions. It's pretty common for an impetuous element, say, Bd, in a line to pursue a recoiling element and become doubly overlapped (and, in turn, overlap the elements to both sides):
Vic,
Taking the central pair of 3Bd and Sp and rotate them 180 degrees will line up all three spear. However 3Bd will attack the line of spear opposite his brethren. This is what I believe is meant.
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Post by goldenhord on May 27, 2019 14:04:21 GMT
Yes Vic the opposite but it is still overlapped !
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Post by Vic on May 27, 2019 14:13:35 GMT
Vic,
Taking the central pair of 3Bd and Sp and rotate them 180 degrees will line up all three spear. However 3Bd will attack the line of spear opposite his brethren. This is what I believe is meant.
So a corner overlap from the rear corner, so to speak? |
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Post by primuspilus on May 27, 2019 15:30:55 GMT
Imagine an element of Wb getting behind a Sp line, attacking them from the rear, and destroying their opponent. They then pursue through the gap into the Sp line. Clearly it makes historical sense that the Sp on either side of the victorious Wb element are overlapped now, regardless of the facing of the Wb!
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Post by ronisan on Jun 18, 2021 15:35:23 GMT
Imagine an element of Wb getting behind a Sp line, attacking them from the rear, and destroying their opponent. They then pursue through the gap into the Sp line. Clearly it makes historical sense that the Sp on either side of the victorious Wb element are overlapped now, regardless of the facing of the Wb! Hello primuspilus, unfortunately that would be a mutual right-to-left or left-to-right front corner contact ... and that‘s not allowed according to the rules. Mutual flank edge contact (even if facing in opposite directions) seems to be allowed. Cheers Ronald |
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Post by martin on Jun 18, 2021 16:41:57 GMT
Imagine an element of Wb getting behind a Sp line, attacking them from the rear, and destroying their opponent. They then pursue through the gap into the Sp line. Clearly it makes historical sense that the Sp on either side of the victorious Wb element are overlapped now, regardless of the facing of the Wb! Hello primuspilus, unfortunately that would be a mutual right-to-left or left-to-right front corner contact ... and that‘s not allowed according to the rules. Mutual flank edge contact (even if facing in opposite directions) seems to be allowed. Cheers Ronald They’d be in front corner to rear corner contact (which isn’t covered) and also edge to edge, Ronisan, so the edge to edge part of that overlap does count. |
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Post by ronisan on Jun 18, 2021 18:50:39 GMT
Right, that‘s an interpretation. Well done.
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