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Post by wombatdazzler on Sept 7, 2016 1:03:45 GMT
Hi all,
ART in a BUA:
My bound - I shoot at another ART - do I get +4 for shooting
Opponents bound - they shoot at my ART - do I get +4 for shooting?
Cheers
Daz
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Post by ronisan on Sept 7, 2016 8:50:55 GMT
Hi,
in a BUA ART splits up, because it has to occupy all the walls! So you get just +2 (in your bound and in your opponents bound).
Cheers.
Ronald.
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Post by lkmjbc on Sept 7, 2016 14:06:08 GMT
Hi, in a BUA ART splits up, because it has to occupy all the walls! So you get just +2 (in your bound and in your opponents bound). Cheers. Ronald. and the +4 for the BUA if you are shot. Joe Collins |
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Post by righteousaussiegamer on Sept 8, 2016 3:23:10 GMT
Hiya Daz,
Are you talking about basic factors which are +2/+2 for artillery in BUA, or
Do you mean do you get the +4 modifier for being in the BUA when shot at, if the enemy artillery shoots/shoots-back at you?
- Normally you only get the bonus when you are being shot at, like the modifier for being a general's element.
- But if the enemy shoots/shoots-back at you (like the enemy artillery) do you get the +4 modifier for being in a BUA (I'd say yes)?
- Part of the question... is shoot and shoot-back exactly the same thing (I'd say yes).
I'd currently say you'd get the +4 modifier for being shot at in either bound.
- I think the +4 modifier for being in a BUA would definitely count if they shot at you in their bound... whether you could shoot back at them or not (so it stands to reason that if "shoot and shoot-back" are the same it would apply if they could shoot-back at you in your bound).
- There is some weirdness here, and it looks like a very bad idea to shoot at BUA's?
Here are the numbers I think for the current situation (your Art is in a BUA, their Art is not):
- Your Art shoots them in your bound and they are NOT in a position to shoot-back; you are +2 total (NOT shot-back at) to their +4 (they suffer adverse effects).
- Your Art shoots them in your bound and they are in a position to shoot-back; you are +6 total (shot-back at) to their +4 (both suffer adverse effects).
- Their Art shoots you in their bound and you are NOT in a position to shoot-back; you are +6 total (shot at) to their +4 (you suffer adverse effects).
- Their Art shoots you in their bound and you are in a position to shoot-back; you are +6 total (shot at) to their +4 (both suffer adverse effects).
thoughts?
cheers,
Alex.
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Post by bob on Sept 8, 2016 3:58:22 GMT
Alex very good compilation of the options. Thanks. My one question is your third proposition. How is it possible that an artillery element could not be in a position to shoot back if it is in a BU A and it is shot at by artillery.
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Post by ronisan on Sept 8, 2016 11:12:43 GMT
Hello righteousaussiegamer, well - the way I play it is: ART in BUA shooting on enemy element outside ... +2 vs. foot and vs. mtd. ART in BUA being shot at and shooting back ... +2 vs. foot and vs. mtd. plus +4 inside BUA (a kind of 'cover'!) = +6 vs. foot and vs. mtd. If your ART (outside the BUA) sees/reaches the enemy ART (inside the BUA) ... it can see/reach your ART as well, doesn't it?  Cheers, Ronald. |
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Post by righteousaussiegamer on Sept 8, 2016 12:37:26 GMT
Glad you asked bob. Well spotted.
It is possible that there is a "friendly" Psiloi between your BUA Art and their shooting Art, they may shoot through "Enemy" Ps (yours) in their own bound, but you may not shoot through Ps (at all because it isn't your bound).
Page 10 "Distant shooting" para 3. last line.
I can't think of anything else, can anyone else?
Cheers,
Alex.
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Post by lkmjbc on Sept 8, 2016 22:05:24 GMT
Glad you asked bob. Well spotted. It is possible that there is a "friendly" Psiloi between your BUA Art and their shooting Art, they may shoot through "Enemy" Ps (yours) in their own bound, but you may not shoot through Ps (at all because it isn't your bound). Page 10 "Distant shooting" para 3. last line. I can't think of anything else, can anyone else? Cheers, Alex. A very thorough run-through Alex! Joe Collins |
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Post by chrishumphreys on Jan 20, 2022 10:42:20 GMT
Glad you asked bob. Well spotted. It is possible that there is a "friendly" Psiloi between your BUA Art and their shooting Art, they may shoot through "Enemy" Ps (yours) in their own bound, but you may not shoot through Ps (at all because it isn't your bound). Page 10 "Distant shooting" para 3. last line. I can't think of anything else, can anyone else? Cheers, Alex. Hi All, I am just going through some of the earlier posts, please ignore this response if it has already been resolved. I agree with the above post by Alex, clearly Artillery can only shoot in the opponents bound to shoot back at enemy Artillery shooting at them. In this situation, can Artillery that are shot at by Enemy Artillery shoot through or over friendly Psiloi when they shoot back? This seems to be intentional and the rules say no; but, perhaps it needs to be clarified in a FAQ in case it is an oversight. As the rules stand, screening your Artillery from Enemy Artillery using friendly Psiloi is going to give the Enemy Artillery a free hit because your return fire is blocked by your own Psiloi. Moral of the story: avoid putting your Psiloi between your Artillery and your opponent's Artillery. Regards Chris |
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