Post by mthrguth on May 14, 2019 19:51:38 GMT
In DBA 2.2 pg 26 final line, Tactical Factors, -2 if any but aux, bows, warband or Ps and in close combat in, or mounted in close combat WITH ENEMY IN, bad going on or off road, or if mounted attacking a BUA.
So, if a mounted element attacked a foot element, with one 'foot' in the corner of bad going, the enemy was 'enemy in, bad going', and the mounted suffered a -2. Clear enough.
DBA 3.0, p11, tactical factors, -2 If any troops except aux, bows, warband or psiloi and in close combat in bad going.
No diagrams to illustrate the above change. No official FAQ.
Here is the problem.
A knight moves up to the edge of bad going, but NOT IN THE BAD GOING with its front edge.
He is attacked by a blade from the bad going. So, most of the blade element is in bad going. the contact is occurring right at the edge.
Does this count as combat count as in good going, because the front edge of the knight was not in bad going; as combat in bad going for the blade but not the knight? What if the knight was attacking the blade again, right at the edge of the bad going? What if we didn't know who moved into contact with whom, and just found a blade and a knight in mutual front edge to front edge and corner to corner contact right at the edge of bad going?
No FAQ answer. No rule which states 'close combat is good going if.'
Is this a new DBA trick? In 2.2 mounted stayed well away from bad going to avoid being contacted by 'foot with a toe in the bad going'. But now, can knights defend a wood edge with impunity because the foot will be -2 if they attack out of the wood?
We could argue endlessly as follows. The knight is NOT IN THE BAD GOING (player specified). Hence, his front edge is in good going. Hence, frontal combat will be in good going. The knight player would argue just the opposite. " I occupy ALL the good going, therefore you must be in bad going and your combat, but not my combat, must be in bad going'
Opine?
I don't see any diagram which addresses this nor anything in the rules, unless I am missing it, or in the FAQ.
So, if a mounted element attacked a foot element, with one 'foot' in the corner of bad going, the enemy was 'enemy in, bad going', and the mounted suffered a -2. Clear enough.
DBA 3.0, p11, tactical factors, -2 If any troops except aux, bows, warband or psiloi and in close combat in bad going.
No diagrams to illustrate the above change. No official FAQ.
Here is the problem.
A knight moves up to the edge of bad going, but NOT IN THE BAD GOING with its front edge.
He is attacked by a blade from the bad going. So, most of the blade element is in bad going. the contact is occurring right at the edge.
Does this count as combat count as in good going, because the front edge of the knight was not in bad going; as combat in bad going for the blade but not the knight? What if the knight was attacking the blade again, right at the edge of the bad going? What if we didn't know who moved into contact with whom, and just found a blade and a knight in mutual front edge to front edge and corner to corner contact right at the edge of bad going?
No FAQ answer. No rule which states 'close combat is good going if.'
Is this a new DBA trick? In 2.2 mounted stayed well away from bad going to avoid being contacted by 'foot with a toe in the bad going'. But now, can knights defend a wood edge with impunity because the foot will be -2 if they attack out of the wood?
We could argue endlessly as follows. The knight is NOT IN THE BAD GOING (player specified). Hence, his front edge is in good going. Hence, frontal combat will be in good going. The knight player would argue just the opposite. " I occupy ALL the good going, therefore you must be in bad going and your combat, but not my combat, must be in bad going'
Opine?
I don't see any diagram which addresses this nor anything in the rules, unless I am missing it, or in the FAQ.
