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Post by j on Apr 26, 2019 22:15:38 GMT
Rebasing this army - seems simple but a question re: the changes for 3.0
2 x 4Bd Hastati/Principes can be replaced with 3/4Ax Allies
Do they have to come from the Allies list - II/11 Gallic; II31j Aitolian &/or II/34 Attalid Pergamene; II/39a Iberian or II/39b Celtiberian; II/40 Numidian?
If so, they have to be 3 or 4Ax, right not any other troop type available in the allied army list?
So if I use Gallic alllies, they function as Ax not as Wb, right?
& these elements are part of the Roman Army so do not count as an Allied Contingent, right?
Just checkin'
j
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Post by Les1964 on Apr 26, 2019 22:25:51 GMT
You could use some Italian figures with javelin & shield for them . No they aren't an Allied Contingent .
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Post by lkmjbc on Apr 27, 2019 0:47:54 GMT
You could use some Italian figures with javelin & shield for them . No they aren't an Allied Contingent . These represent the Italian Ally troops that were not assimilated into the Roman system. You need them for the Punic wars. After the Punic Wars most of the allies had adopted the Roman system...so, the conquest of Greece and onwards saw the 4Ax being replaced by 4Bd. Joe Collins |
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Post by lkmjbc on Apr 27, 2019 1:01:49 GMT
I just have some earlyish looking Romans (Hastati and Princepi) mounted as 4Bd and then some 40x20 sabot bases to put play them as the allies. That way I can do a wider array of battles/time periods.
Joe Collins
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Post by lkmjbc on Apr 27, 2019 2:03:11 GMT
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Post by j on Apr 28, 2019 11:15:44 GMT
Excellent! A thorough answer as usual, thanks.
Regards,
j
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Post by j on Apr 28, 2019 11:28:04 GMT
Having said that...  One thought occurs on re-read your article on the Punic Wars in 3.0 The Army List gives 3/4Ax as replacements for 2 of the Bd You say the Roman Italiot Allies & the Carthaginian Spanish & most of their Gallic mercenaries are rated 4Ax… & 3Ax troop type is not present in these armies & functions much as it did under DBA 2.2 Under what circumstances & against whom could a Polybian army field 3Ax instead of 4Ax & what would they represent? Regards, j |
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Post by davidjconstable on Apr 28, 2019 13:56:56 GMT
Having said that... One thought occurs on re-read your article on the Punic Wars in 3.0 The Army List gives 3/4Ax as replacements for 2 of the Bd You say the Roman Italiot Allies & the Carthaginian Spanish & most of their Gallic mercenaries are rated 4Ax… & 3Ax troop type is not present in these armies & functions much as it did under DBA 2.2 Under what circumstances & against whom could a Polybian army field 3Ax instead of 4Ax & what would they represent? Regards, j I cannot check the rules as I no longer have a copy of DBA3, however, potential Roman allied auxilia from mountain/hilly areas will probably be 3Ax. So check Roman opponents in Italy for possible allies.
David Constable
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Post by bob on Apr 28, 2019 19:38:37 GMT
The Apulian army, II8c, were allies of the Romans against Carthage. They are at core 3Ax.
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Post by paddy649 on Apr 28, 2019 22:40:48 GMT
Really good thread - thanks. So got these 3Ax / 4Ax Allies could I use any of the Xyston Italiote Infantry packs. In particular ANC20157 - Oscan Javelinmen with Scutum for the 4Ax and ANC20159 - Apulian Infantry for the 3Ax? Would this be historically justified?
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Post by davidjconstable on Apr 29, 2019 13:29:44 GMT
Really good thread - thanks. So got these 3Ax / 4Ax Allies could I use any of the Xyston Italiote Infantry packs. In particular ANC20157 - Oscan Javelinmen with Scutum for the 4Ax and ANC20159 - Apulian Infantry for the 3Ax? Would this be historically justified? Apulians no problem, even though some deserted after Cannae some probably still served. Oscans are more of a problem, probably if Early Roman, but not by the time of Polybian Romans.
David Constable
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Post by twrnz on Jun 12, 2019 21:41:26 GMT
Under what circumstances & against whom could a Polybian army field 3Ax instead of 4Ax & what would they represent? It really depends on the period. The Polybian list covers a considerable period and during this period allies could come and go as well as be impacted by the theatre. For example Spanish could be 4Ax or 3Ax, Ligurians likely 4Ax and Italians could be 4Ax or possibly 3Ax depending on where they came from. I have a short article on my website that explores this as part of a larger look at the Poybians and uses the DBMM army lists as well as DBA lists for inspiration. You can find it here: ancientwargaming.wordpress.com/ii33-polybian-roman-275-bc-105-bc/ |
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