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Post by j on Apr 1, 2019 20:50:38 GMT
4Ax Kardakes or 3Ax Takabara for LAP army? Is it a choice throughout the time period 420 BCE-329 BCE or are they mutually exclusive?
Regards,
j
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Post by lkmjbc on Apr 1, 2019 21:25:45 GMT
4Ax Kardakes or 3Ax Takabara for LAP army? Is it a choice throughout the time period 420 BCE-329 BCE or are they mutually exclusive? Regards, j You really should have both. Kardakes may be a generic name identifying a type of recruit or even a recruit from a certain region (Kurds). The term could of course meant both. What is more certain is that the Persian infantry changed to mirror the Greek somewhat. This included a lighter version of the Hoplite and a version of the thureophoroi. Phil represents these as 4Ax and 3Ax respectively. Joe Collins |
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Post by j on Apr 1, 2019 22:52:10 GMT
Ok. Can I mix them up in an army?
One subset is 1 x 3Kn, Sp or 4Ax (Kardakes)
Another is 3 x 4Ax (Kardakes) or 3Ax (Takabara) or Sp (Mercenary Hoplites) or [in 329BCE] LH (Saka Horse Archers
I'm assuming I can choose 1 x 4Ax & either 3 x 4Ax OR 3 x 3Ax. Have I got this right?
Regards,
j
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Post by jeffreythancock on Apr 2, 2019 0:37:39 GMT
DBA 3.0, page 31: "TROOP DEFINITIONS AND TERMINOLOGY "or" between 2 codes or prefix numbers directs that any mixture of those elements can be used." So, you mix any of the "3 x 4Ax (Kardakes) or 3Ax (Takabara) or Sp (Mercenary Hoplites) or [in 329BCE] LH (Saka Horse Archers)", as long as the total of the mix does not exceed 3 elements. Also, you can choose one of "1 x 3Kn, Sp or 4Ax (Kardakes)" as a separate choice. Ok. Can I mix them up in an army? One subset is 1 x 3Kn, Sp or 4Ax (Kardakes) Another is 3 x 4Ax (Kardakes) or 3Ax (Takabara) or Sp (Mercenary Hoplites) or [in 329BCE] LH (Saka Horse Archers I'm assuming I can choose 1 x 4Ax & either 3 x 4Ax OR 3 x 3Ax. Have I got this right? Regards, j |
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Post by lkmjbc on Apr 2, 2019 1:18:18 GMT
Oh, sorry. I thought you were asking a historical question rather than a "Game" question.
Phil uses a "/" to denote that all must be of the same type.
The Anglo-Norman list for instance allows 4x Sp/7 Hordes. All must be the same type.
"Or" means you can mix types
Joe Collins
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Post by jeffreythancock on Apr 2, 2019 1:43:01 GMT
Joe:
I believe you answered the first question asked. I merely responded to his follow-up question.
You shared important history while I just quoted the rules! 😁
Jeff
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Post by j on Apr 2, 2019 8:18:17 GMT
The question was related to both the rules & history. So, just to be clear, historically, I can have both Takabara & Kardakes in the same army?
Regards,
j
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Post by lkmjbc on Apr 2, 2019 15:27:11 GMT
Yes, you certainly can have both 3Ax and 4Ax. Phil identifies those as Takabara and Kardakes respectively...
I recommend both in the army if you want to be historical... as both seem to be mentioned in some of the primary sources... though exact definitions are somewhat muddy.
Joe Collins
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Post by j on Apr 2, 2019 17:07:50 GMT
Thanks. I initially thought to base all my existing Kardakes figures as both 4Ax & 3Ax elements as some descriptions of takabara mention crescent shaped shields (& axes) but now I'm thinking I might use my old Paphlagonian & Hill Tribe foot for the 3Ax so they look completely different. I have so many Persian figures I can do at least 2 if not 3 forces, one of which can be Darius so I can use Applebearer Sp instead of some of the Mercenary Hoplites.
Regards,
j
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