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Post by bluestone28 on Mar 21, 2019 8:48:06 GMT
hi everybody!
i didn't find lot of informations about Gully,
Is it special rules for recoiling and fleeing? other specifics?
thx
Eric
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Post by stevie on Mar 21, 2019 12:59:52 GMT
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Post by bluestone28 on Mar 21, 2019 13:09:31 GMT
ah yes detailed Rules Index! very convenient, thanks a lot!
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Post by hodsopa on Aug 5, 2023 21:17:34 GMT
1/2 BW of certain terrain types, not including gullies, blocks shooting. Elements entirely in a gully can't shoot or be shot at. Do these rules, in combination, mean that if an element is partially in a gully, it can shoot or be shot at even if the shot requires passing over more than 1/2 BW of gully?
Paul H
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Post by martin on Aug 5, 2023 22:38:07 GMT
1/2 BW of certain terrain types, not including gullies, blocks shooting. Elements entirely in a gully can't shoot or be shot at. Do these rules, in combination, mean that if an element is partially in a gully, it can shoot or be shot at even if the shot requires passing over more than 1/2 BW of gully? Paul H Yep, believe so. Gully isn’t a shooting blocker in the same way as woods/BUA/difficult hill etc. …Unless a unit is entirely in it. Shooting across a gully isn’t restricted. |
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Post by hodsopa on Aug 6, 2023 19:41:13 GMT
thanks Martin
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Post by vodnik on Aug 7, 2023 8:09:55 GMT
...to describe a gully it could be helpful to consult a description from an other rule set. What follow is from ADG: A gully is a depression below the level of the surrounding terrain. It is consideret rough terrain but offers no cover. All troops except elefants my be placed in ambush inside it. Units situated outside a gully have a +1 bonus in combat against opponents situated at least partialy in the gully. Units entirely inside a gully are invisible from the outside except to units within 1 UD of the edge of the gully. Units inside a gully cannot shoot at or be shot at by an enemy situated at more then 1 UD from the edge of the gully. Units in the gully can shoot at each other. It is possible to shoot over a gully.
You need to read only that text which aplies to DBA. You need not to exersise an ambush. But you can see a better description of a given situation...
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Post by stevie on Aug 7, 2023 11:04:43 GMT
I’ve always like the idea that troops touching the edge of a Gully can shoot and be shot at...
... they are shooting down into it, which makes sense when you think about it.
(But that’s a ‘House Rule’)
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Post by davidjconstable on Aug 8, 2023 5:08:16 GMT
Always remember that the depth of a gully can be very variable.
I do not know if it has an official depth, in eastern Europe I have seen "gully" that you could stand in, and look over the top.
At Magnesia in Turkey in the 70s if you were at the bottom of the gully, anybody above who knelt down 6-feet from the edge of the top of the gully was invisible.
In Russia in WW2 the Russians used then as anti-tank ditches, sometimes moving extra earth, other times as was.
Just a thought, because effectively they go from crossable by infantry with difficulty to totally uncrossable except by bridge, they need to be used carefully.
And bridge involves road.
David Constable
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Post by timurilank on Aug 8, 2023 7:25:55 GMT
Always remember that the depth of a gully can be very variable. I do not know if it has an official depth, in eastern Europe I have seen "gully" that you could stand in, and look over the top. At Magnesia in Turkey in the 70s if you were at the bottom of the gully, anybody above who knelt down 6-feet from the edge of the top of the gully was invisible. In Russia in WW2 the Russians used then as anti-tank ditches, sometimes moving extra earth, other times as was. Just a thought, because effectively they go from crossable by infantry with difficulty to totally uncrossable except by bridge, they need to be used carefully. And bridge involves road. David Constable This brings to mind the charge of the 21st Lancers at Omdurman (1898). Skirmishing Dervishes were supported by 2,500 infantry hidden behind them in a depression. Other sources reference this as a dry river bed. We do use a dry river bed as a terrain piece. Same rules apply to cross and a break between river sections denote a ford. I shall have to add this to the ‘arid’ terrain section at the blog. |
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Post by davidjconstable on Aug 12, 2023 5:51:24 GMT
In Oman in 72 there was a section known locally as "the gully".
This was just a dried river bed, to get any cover or stay hidden you would have had to lay down and crawl.
So I can understand Omdurman and "dry river bed", forgot about that.
Descriptions by people can be confusing, I remember in the English civil war an officer being captured because he went to an enemy unit that he thought was his own.
The interesting thing is that eye witnesses say the flag colour was either green or blue.
David Constable
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