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Post by pyrrhus1717 on Feb 24, 2019 22:19:52 GMT
I noticed advice for other troop (fill in the blank) Armies Anybody have any advice for Knight Hvy Armies (4+ knights ) ?
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Post by nangwaya on Feb 25, 2019 1:06:46 GMT
First off, I am not the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to tactics or winning DBA battles, but here is my experience...
The only Knight heavy army I have are the Serbian Empire (IV/22).
I keep my psiloi near my knights, and also some bow, and that way I can use these guys to offset any of the opponent's bow if they have any.
Otherwise, I just try to remember that my knights will pursue if I win combats, and what that might do to my line.
Looking forward to other people's better replies.
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Post by primuspilus on Feb 25, 2019 2:54:20 GMT
Kn can be really fun to charge with. Bd, Ax and Ps are their natural victims. The don't like Camels much, and enemy Bw are just nasty to them. Sp can actually be quite vulnerable to Kn as well, since they don't get side support. Pk are hard to attack frontally with Kn. Can't recall if Kn are QKed by Ellies, but if not, that is a potential El blockade. 4 vs 4.
Kn in my experience are slightly vulnerable to LH one on one (only occasionally, come to think of it) however on average a line of Kn seems to just massacre LH - they quickly generate a 4-1 double overlap, and it's all over but the crying.
Kn armies vs Mongols? Not sure how the Mongols are supposed to win.
Skythians vs Lydians are a nice case study.
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Post by pyrrhus1717 on Feb 26, 2019 0:06:56 GMT
Do Knight players favor 3 bw because of the speed or solid bow as a support troop . I would think that LH in support would be a Great help to them . How do players try and plan/ protect themselves for the inevitable Knight pursuit ? Would A second line of supporting troops in echelon help ? ( bw / LH ) Any advice or discussion would help ? Thanks
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Post by eg407 on Feb 26, 2019 8:21:36 GMT
Here in Hamburg we actually played a BBDBA of the battle of Legnica (which was covered well by this you tube video! www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF11uwUGZog) One half of the Christian army managed to support their Knights with the foot and stopped the Lh getting on to the flanks. But the other half didn't. Their Knights got hit by the Mongol Cv in the front and the Lh on the flanks. It seemed the best way the mongols worked was to not take on the Kn line frontally, but to use their extra mobility to pick off the sides. As for tactics with the Kn it seemed keeping them supported is key. Having them run off on their own didn't work out so well! |
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Post by eg407 on Feb 26, 2019 8:51:00 GMT
Do Knight players favor 3 bw because of the speed or solid bow as a support troop . I would think that LH in support would be a Great help to them . How do players try and plan/ protect themselves for the inevitable Knight pursuit ? Would A second line of supporting troops in echelon help ? ( bw / LH ) Any advice or discussion would help ? Thanks As for support troops, I think the best for Knights is 3Bd. They're fast and can take on the heavy foot that Knights like to target. 3/4Bw could also work, but you have to be careful to keep them away from the enemy foot! Sp didn't work very well due to the slow speed and need to keep in line, but it's often the best you can have! |
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Post by medievalthomas on Feb 26, 2019 19:39:21 GMT
Munifex: did you use an historical order of battle or just the 12 element standard force?
TomT
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Post by paddy649 on Feb 26, 2019 20:59:19 GMT
Support troops? II/84 African Vandal = 12 x 3Kn! What support troops?
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Post by Spitzicles on Feb 26, 2019 22:28:34 GMT
Support troops? II/84 African Vandal = 12 x 3Kn! What support troops? I like your thinking! When my group started playing DBM 1.0, I was attracted to the Tibetans because I could field an army entirely of KnX. And yes, I still have them!  And KnX don't pursue, so they are easier to control and maintain a line with. But then you need to roll good command PIPs to keep the charge moving.
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Post by eg407 on Feb 27, 2019 9:40:02 GMT
Support troops? II/84 African Vandal = 12 x 3Kn! What support troops? Ok, I agree the African Vandals are certainly a different kettle of fish entirely, compared to the later Medieval Kn armies. As for tactics on how to win with them, I am going to turn to a quote from Mr. Barker in the original DBM African Vandal army list "Wargamers that adopt the unfortunate King Gelimer's indecisive style of leadership and over-complex deployment will probably emulate his disasters, but those with King Gaeseric's combination of cunning and aggression will certainly frighten opponents" |
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Post by Cromwell on Feb 27, 2019 16:49:46 GMT
This seems the opposite of my recent question. "Tactics for HYW English Army". This helps me as well!
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Post by pyrrhus1717 on Mar 1, 2019 2:29:54 GMT
when I played 1.0 we used to use a Qoute from the movie Excalibur when ever we were losing and rolled badly for movement "The Old Ways " . Which meant charge in . more often than not it worked .
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