mattadami
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Post by mattadami on Jun 11, 2018 7:25:17 GMT
I am curious to see how people fell about switching dice mid game. For example if a player has 2 dice and is using 1, he then begins to roll poorly with the die he is using, is it okay for him to “fire” that die and switch to the other one that he hasn’t been using?
I personally am of the opinion that dice are dice, and who cares if you switch dice. Your only every using 1 at a time so does it really matter?
But, I have spoken with people who say the purple book says you play with 1 die, so you can only ever have 1 die.
What are your opinions?
~Matt
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Post by goragrad on Jun 11, 2018 8:13:57 GMT
As to the rulebook, it does specify the use of only one die for all purposes, changeable only at the request of the opponent.
I had to just look that up - hadn't remembered seeing it and never run into anyone pointing it out.
That bit about the opponent having the option to request a change has me wondering what kind of shenanigans have gone on with dice in the past...
At any rate I would have said that it was of no moment as to how many different dice an opponent used.
Since high numbers are invariably better whether for pips or combat, I can't see an ulterior motive for a player to switch dice regularly. Although I suppose if a player was getting a normal distribution with one die for say pips and then using another die for combat that produced an extraordinary run of sixes I might revise that view.
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mattadami
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Don’t mess with Cilician Armenians apparently. :|
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Post by mattadami on Jun 11, 2018 8:45:27 GMT
But according to the probability theorem every time someone rolls a D6 it’s a new problem. So in theory it shouldn’t matter which die they are using. Because all dice have the same probability.
And about opponents requesting a die change, we get that in the 40k circuits. Some times we have to call a judge over a perform a dice check, where they examine it for signs of tampering and they roll it repeatedly.
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Post by mthrguth on Jun 11, 2018 9:06:21 GMT
For over a year one player in the USA was regularly substituting a die with two sixes. He was finally caught, and made to apologize to a variety of opponents. He had won several tournaments. He defeated me at an event where he launched crazy attacks all game.
I had several games recently playing TRIUMPH where I was up 5 elements to 1 (winning on 6) and then lost after my opponents switched to different dice. It's unnerving to say the least.
Some informal studies indicate that dice with recessed pips roll more ones than expected. This ran contrary to the theory which was that the lighter side, with 6 recessed dots, would land upright more often than expected.
ADLG has gone to encouraging dice towers. I could see going to chessex dice for both sides.
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Post by jim1973 on Jun 11, 2018 10:32:23 GMT
Sad to think someone would cheat over toy soldiers! One way around the problem would be for one player to provide all the dice and the opponent chooses which dice to use. The opponent can also request one swap during the game. That should hamper someone with a loaded dice.
Cheers
Jim
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Post by martin on Jun 11, 2018 13:05:07 GMT
Correct that the rules specify ‘a single die’.
However, I use a line of twelve dice, and use a different die for every throw, rotating through the line of dice as I go. They all throw 1’s and they all throw 6’s and everything in between. Main reason for doing this is that it stops ME from blaming a particular die. Seems to work, and no opponents have objected (so far.....).
Martin
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Jun 11, 2018 14:31:38 GMT
I take the opposite stance using one die that goes with the color/theme of the army I am using.
As of late, I have used ONE dice "the dreaded black die" in all our playing and videos as it has developed a personality of it's own.
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Post by primuspilus on Jun 11, 2018 15:07:25 GMT
But Tony, doesn't it keep rolling 6's and 1's, and hardly any other numbers?
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Jun 11, 2018 16:34:43 GMT
But Tony, doesn't it keep rolling 6's and 1's, and hardly any other numbers? ...oh and I forgot that it keeps some of you awake at night too.
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Post by Baldie on Jun 11, 2018 17:10:15 GMT
I have no issue with opponent using my dice and letting me use theirs. Could hardly roll worse anyway.
I have lately started to use a smaller dice cos it fits in my smaller dice tray.
As to having two sixes, never do it. Go for two fives instead as hardly any diff in results and less likely to attract attention. Skaven for the win.
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Post by scottrussell on Jun 11, 2018 17:27:37 GMT
I think the evolution was something like this: "Unlike some competing rule sets which use about forty dice per combat, take half of those and throw them again, DBA only uses one dice". But PB's fixation on reducing excess verbiage reduced this to the last five words. There was an assumption that this meant exactly what it said, and players started to play it this way, but I can personally see no reason why using a string of dice should help anyone cheat or gain an unfair advantage in any way. And another thing, "Made to apologise to a number of opponents" ? What about "was thrown out of the group for ever" I would certainly not want to play against him Scott
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Post by paddy649 on Jun 11, 2018 17:51:24 GMT
Tony,
Didn't you have a spate of using unbiased Casino dice...and then still rolled a bucket load of 6s!
Paddy
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Jun 11, 2018 18:03:33 GMT
Tony, Didn't you have a spate of using unbiased Casino dice...and then still rolled a bucket load of 6s! Paddy It is because I live the right kind of life.
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Post by paulisper on Jun 11, 2018 18:26:45 GMT
However, I use a line of twelve dice, and use a different die for every throw, rotating through the line of dice as I go. Seems to work, and no opponents have objected (so far.....). Martin You just wait 'til Saturday, my friend P.
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Post by Simon on Jun 11, 2018 19:11:46 GMT
Actually, as tournament organiser, I have granted Martin a d10 license so that throws of 6 - 0 count as sixes. Of course, the license fee was £500. Anyone for a d20 license?
Simon
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