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Post by twrnz on May 24, 2019 6:41:51 GMT
Well, I had to look them up! The list is actually III/42. The earlier list looks reasonable, the later confusing at first glance, well at least to me.
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Post by davidjconstable on May 24, 2019 6:56:15 GMT
Could somebody clarify III/24 army as my new version says III/42, and I cannot understand the posts.
David Constable
P.S. - Tribune post appeared when mine did, so at least that sorts the army number out. |
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Post by paulhannah on May 24, 2019 13:21:21 GMT
Could somebody clarify III/24 army as my new version says III/42, and I cannot understand the posts.
I'm sorry; I made a mistake in my original post. I have since edited it. I regret any confusion I may have caused you. |
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Post by paulhannah on May 24, 2019 14:21:31 GMT
Essex now makes Sha-t'o horse archers as part of their update Sui & T'ang range. Those, plus various Essex T'ang figures for the "Chinese" elements...it seems possible now to build this obscure army. |
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Post by twrnz on Jun 13, 2019 4:35:05 GMT
In these parts Section I armies are generally not seen that often, especially in competitions.
I suspect that is due to two reasons. The first is that many are more obscure and don’t have the same common historic appeal. Mycenaeans, Egyptians & Carthaginians being obvious exceptions. Secondly many have infantry rated as auxilia.
In addition because the number of armies are limited we haven’t organised too many Section I themed events. Which makes it worse.
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Jun 14, 2019 20:21:25 GMT
In these parts Section I armies are generally not seen that often, especially in competitions. I suspect that is due to two reasons. The first is that many are more obscure and don’t have the same common historic appeal. Mycenaeans, Egyptians & Carthaginians being obvious exceptions. Secondly many have infantry rated as auxilia. In addition because the number of armies are limited we haven’t organised too many Section I themed events. Which makes it worse. I dislike Book 1 armies because they lack flags, heraldry etc...and are generally uninspiring to paint for me. There is also so little known about them that I do not get excited about them. |
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Post by nangwaya on Jun 14, 2019 21:24:58 GMT
In these parts Section I armies are generally not seen that often, especially in competitions. I suspect that is due to two reasons. The first is that many are more obscure and don’t have the same common historic appeal. Mycenaeans, Egyptians & Carthaginians being obvious exceptions. Secondly many have infantry rated as auxilia. In addition because the number of armies are limited we haven’t organised too many Section I themed events. Which makes it worse. I dislike Book 1 armies because they lack flags, heraldry etc...and are generally uninspiring to paint for me. There is also so little known about them that I do not get excited about them. I am the opposite of you Tony, in that I love Book I armies... if they have chariots all the better!
You are right in that the amount of info. we have on various armies is sketchy, especially compared to later periods, but I find that just a challenge to research as much as I can.
In the end, I guess it just comes down to what interests us.
For example, I am having a tough time getting into painting the Lydians... they are just so Greek-like, and I have no interest in Greek or Roman stuff for that matter, yet one of my friends is the opposite of me, in that he is not interested in Assyrians and such, and would much rather paint Greek or Roman type armies.
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Post by twrnz on Jun 14, 2019 22:07:08 GMT
I dislike Book 1 armies because they lack flags, heraldry etc...and are generally uninspiring to paint for me. There is also so little known about them that I do not get excited about them. Certainly the information becomes even more difficult to find and more becomes guess work. Interestingly we were playing some DBA last night and my opponent was showing me some original coins minted by Antigonus Gonatas which he has in his personal collection. There is really something pleasing about being able to hold something so old. Interestingly, he was also using Gonatas army against me. So here we were holding the coins minted at the time to pay for the soldiers in the armies we were using. I was using the army of Ptolemy Keraunos. As we discussed this he mentioned one place he once worked allowed him to handle a Sumerian seal. The age of the seal was of course considerably older at the time of Antigonus Gonatas than the Gonatas coins are today. Unsurprisingly he has a Sumerian army for DBA as well. He is also well known for his interest in biblical armies. |
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Post by mark leslie on Jun 15, 2019 5:34:02 GMT
Book 1 is the chariot book.  Love the chariot.  Love life. Sorry, pictures turned out a bit bigger than expected. |
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Post by paddy649 on Jun 15, 2019 6:56:42 GMT
My armies are half book 4, a third book 2 and the remainder split between books 1 and 3.....but I think I’m changing. One of the benefits from PAWS is that every so often you get a specific historical theme and if you don’t have a suitable army then you need to get one. Recently this led me to paint up a Makkan army which Ilike and upgrade my Indians to be purple book Vedic compliant. Two armies which I wouldn’t have done without the prompt.
The other nice thing about Book 1 is that, as with Wimp Wars, the battles tend to be really fun, close run things.
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Post by paulhannah on Jun 19, 2019 4:50:33 GMT
Stunning Assyrian chariots, Mark. Wow. Love all the detail, and the patterned effect achieved on that parasol is remarkable.
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Post by paulhannah on May 9, 2020 0:49:57 GMT
Essex now makes Sha-t'o horse archers as part of their update Sui & T'ang range. Those, plus various Essex T'ang figures for the "Chinese" elements...it seems possible now to build this obscure army. I just pulled this pile-of-lead out of my scary-scary drawer. One III/42 Sha-t'o Turkish army on the way. |
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Post by macbeth on Oct 19, 2020 3:52:07 GMT
Well the votes are in and the tribe has spoken.
I have spent the last three days counting up the frequency of army usage across the DBA Tournaments held in the Australian Capital Territory From the first Landwaster in November 2002 until the most recent Cancon in January 2020. Missing from the mix are Cancon 2009 and 2010 when Doug was running the show and I was running Warrior (The computer Doug held the results on fried before I could get copies), and Cancon 2014 where my results sheet has become corrupted.
However. My analysis of entry lists over that period shows that
Out of 605 available lists (this is actual numbered lists and sublists), 288 were used by the various players. There were a total of 193 individual people who entered 68 events (where any 2 day event where the players changed armies on the second day were counted as two events) for a total of 1,234 event entries.
I had to play fast and loose with certain armies that began in 2.2 without sublists but were expanded in 3. Mostly I chose the a sublist except for Sassanids and the Sung (where the b list is closest to the original).
The top 20 armies were
IV/61 Italian Condotta - 29 times
II/33 Polybian Roman - 25 times
IV/83a Wars of the Roses or Tudor - 25 times
IV/74 Free Company or Armangac - 23 times
II/56 Early Imperial Roman - 22 times
II/48 Mithradatic - 21 times
IV/62a 100 Years War English - 20 times
II/78b Late Imperial Roman (East) - 19 times
II/32a Later Carthaginian - 17 times
IV/17 Later Crusader - 17 times
IV/3 Anglo Norman - 17 times
II/3a Classical Indian - 16 times
IV/35 Mongol Conquest - 16 times
II/49 Marian Roman - 15 times
IV/82a French Ordonance - 15 times
IV/59a Post Mongol Samurai - 14 times
IV/7 Early Crusader - 14 times
Depending on the sort order one of the following is the 20th most popular with 13 entries
II/19a Selucid
II/7 Late Acheamenid Persian
III/62b Southern Sung Chinese
IV/13a Medieval German
IV/76 Early Burgundian
IV/85a Burgundian Ordonance
Rather than trying to put the complete list up - I will take requests, let me know what your favourite or least favourite is and I will tell you how many times it appeared.
Cheers
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Post by Baldie on Oct 19, 2020 7:59:15 GMT
Some of my faves but not necessarily best armies.
Ancient British, Spartan and Early Achaemenid Persian.
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Post by macbeth on Oct 19, 2020 8:53:08 GMT
Some of my faves but not necessarily best armies. Ancient British, Spartan and Early Achaemenid Persian. Hi Baldie they were all there II/5a Later Hoplite Greek (Spartans in Greece) - 9 times II/53 Ancient British - 6 times I/60a Early Acheamenid Persian - 5 times I/60b Early Acheamenid Persian (Cyrus) - 4 times I/52b Early Hoplite Greek (Spartan) - 3 times I/60c Early Acheamenid Persian - 1 time Cheers |
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