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Post by goldenhord on Apr 20, 2018 15:54:57 GMT
HI ,
I need your point of view for this issue.
Hussite Army could have a Warwagon with Artillery. How does you resolve that ?
I guess if you shoot, you manage as an Artillery (factor 4,4) ?
and in melee as a warwagon (factor 3,4) ?
If so results refers accordingly to the combat outcome table ?
Regarding the shooting support, i guess that if 3 WWgs are aligned side by side (3* 8 cm long edge "a la queue leu leu"), only 2 could support themselves for shooting as they have to choose two adjoigning sides (as only one 4cm side could shoot by phase) ?
Thank you for your comments.
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Post by medievalthomas on Apr 20, 2018 16:02:11 GMT
IN DBA an element would count either as Artillery or as a Warwagon not a mix of the two.
Not sure about your second question. If a target is in range and arc of three Warwagons two could support.
TomT
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Post by bob on Apr 20, 2018 21:59:35 GMT
Goldenhord, I wonder where you got the idea that a Hussite army could have a WWg with Artillery? Are there historical references to this. Such figures are made but they are very small guns. See example on the left  I just use this as a standard WWg. For the artillery, I use bigger guns. To prevent your second situation, I use WWg that are a Base Width square. |
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Post by goldenhord on Apr 21, 2018 6:55:50 GMT
you are right stupid question it only could be WWG or field Art not both.
However the second question remains for WWg (40*80 mm).
Agree that for (40*40) the problem does not occurs as the support right and left works
but it is not the case for (40*80) which only shoot with a 40mm side part each turn
so the support could not be always for a 80 mm side ?
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Post by vodnik on Apr 21, 2018 7:26:54 GMT
...most warwagons are to large. You have to cut a bit:  |
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Post by vodnik on Apr 21, 2018 7:33:36 GMT
...most warwagons are to large. You have to cut a bit: ...   ...the large Wwg is for DBM or DBA2.2... |
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Post by goldenhord on Apr 21, 2018 9:24:01 GMT
why? the rule DBA 3.0 said WWg could be 80*40 mm for 15 mm figurines...
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Post by timurilank on Apr 21, 2018 10:14:47 GMT
Below Vodnik’s response you will read DBA 2.2 games in Switzerland.
Wagons mounted on 40mm x 40mm bases is a recent change.
Since most wagons are sold with horse/oxen teams, I have based these separately (great for photos) and like ‘scatter material’ are removed during the game.
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Post by goldenhord on Apr 21, 2018 15:30:43 GMT
thank for the pictures which are nice; The army is not mine, i dunno if he will spliy oxen and carts !
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Post by bob on Apr 21, 2018 20:05:35 GMT
In the beginning, War wagons were 40 mm² and did not shoot = DBA1. Then in 1.1, they could shoot. Then came DBM, and WWg got put on double deep bases. When DBA2 Came out, Phil wanted to correlate with DBM, so war wagons got to be double deep. Many of us had multiple elements of wagons from the earlier DBA version. I had at least three armies worth. Then when 3.0 development started, Some of us asked to go back to the original size element. Phil compromised and allowed both.
It does not bother me to have wagons with no draft animals. The game is An abstraction after all. Hundreds of thousands of soldiers represented by 12 elements. Who will miss a few oxen and horses.
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Post by paulhannah on Apr 25, 2018 16:57:20 GMT
Here's a view of my Hussites, as built for V2, and displayed here on "tourney tray" for the Painting Competition at ENFILADE 2008.  The Art element is at far left, also mounted in a wagon, based on a 40x40 stand. It functions only as Artillery, in all respects. The 5 x WWg's are all on 40x80 bases, three of which come complete with their own wee tents, so the gunners can catch a quick nap between bounds. And here are David Kuijt's Hussites. His Art piece is center-rear.  Gotta love a the little duckie flags in DK's awesome looking army. |
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Post by nangwaya on Apr 25, 2018 17:05:23 GMT
What a paint job!
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Post by nangwaya on Apr 25, 2018 21:38:13 GMT
Really good website you have there Martin.
I will certainly be going there often to look at your great painting and also read up on your tips.
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