Capturing undefended camps

I was one of the experienced players mentioned, and my interpretation was that you had to end the move in the camp. Simply touching the camp at the end of the movement phase was sufficient as an uncontested fight then in effect took place, and the winning element (i.e the attacking one) was able to move in as an outcome move.
Scott

Peter,
I was only joining the debate. There is no reason to assume I am correct!
Scott

I agree and do it the same way.

Plus I find it very strange that anyone would want to play that rule by the book. The idea that whether a camp is defended or not depends on whether I mount human figures on the camp base or not is a hugely strange one.

So this simply does not happen, unless someone actually sallies from the camp with the followers (which I believe is possible). In that case, I would treat moving through any small part of the camp as sufficient to capture it.

Ditto to menacussecundus. Whenever I run a tournament, I instruct players that camps are considered defended by "camp followers" unless one of the 12 elements is in the camp. Note that it is possible for an army element to defend, but then leave the camp, making it undefended. You cannot have both notional camp followers and an army element in at same time. Take your pick at start of game.


Note too that camps are not "captured." They can be sacked. The rule states, "entered," so that would eliminate just contacting an empty camp.

"A camp that has been entered by any enemy element either as a tactical or outcome move (see p.12) is immediately sacked and ceases to have any defensive or other value. "

1. Do you have to move into the centre of the camp and stay there at the end of the bound.
Why move into the center, just put all of an element into camp through the gate. What if camp has no wall? Then just enter the camp perimeter.

The FAQ says, "Q: My attacking element is moving into an enemy camp after destroying the defenders. How far does it "move in" to occupy the enemy camp?
A: The element moves its normal pursuit distance if allowed, otherwise foot move one-half BW, mounted 1 Base Width. "

Since all wins over camp defenders result in a pursuit, then the "otherwise" applies to tactical moves into the camp even though the question referred to destroying the defenders.
Maybe the A should be "All elements defeating defenders pursue, thus entering the camp; if foot, move one-half BW, mounted or Hordes, 1 Base Width. It does not occupy the camp, but immediately sacks it. "

I guess, strictly speaking, an element could enter a camp via combat or tactical move, causing it to be then be sacked, and resulting in it becoming good going, and then keep moving.,

2. Can you sweep through the camp centre and out the other side and call it captured.
Do camps have exits other than the front gate? See comment above regarding entering and leaving.

3. Can you pass through a corner of the camp and call it captured?
Element must enter the camp to sack it.


4. Can you end a bound partly in a camp and call it captured.
No, element must enter to sack it.

A figs a fig not just human, my chickens are deadly defenders of the realm.

TBH nearly every game I play a base is considered to be defended, cant remember a game where I have put a specific base in or or sallied out.

I am usually wiped out long before that stage

P7, second para from the bottom, is worth a read...”At the start of the game....”.etc

There was a definition/clarification on the wall at Alton about sacking camps, by the way.....just a local interpretaion.

M