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Post by crazycaptain560 on Dec 29, 2017 6:10:53 GMT
Gentleman,
I have read the Threat Zone section of the purple book, but I am a little confused. I thought that an element that is 1 BW away is not in the TZ. Essentially on the "border" of 1 BW. This came up because I thought using a full BW recoil would help me getting out of an enemy element's TZ but my friend and I decided that it would not: element would still be in TZ. In a 15mm game, this would mean that if any portion of your base edge is equal to 40mm or less away from an enemy element it is restricted by the TZ. Is this right? If so, I don't understand why being able to recoil 1 BW is all that useful.
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Post by Simon on Dec 29, 2017 8:32:49 GMT
Being able to recoil 1BW is helpful if you want to make sure you are not in the threat zone of an enemy who is perpendicular to you to your flank (not in contact or you would be destroyed!). It is also useful if you want to ensure that there is room for a friendly element, perpendicular to your flank and with their back to you, to recoil if they lose a combat. Tony Aguilar pointed this out in acouple of his recent videos.
Cheers
Simon
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Post by scottrussell on Dec 29, 2017 10:43:31 GMT
if you recoil 1BW from an element, then a heavy foot element in side edge and front corner to front corner contact with that element can no longer "close the door", i.e. move into legal front edge and front corner contact with your side edge, next move. If you only recoil a base depth, then it can.
Scott
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Post by lkmjbc on Dec 29, 2017 14:53:32 GMT
Gentleman, I have read the Threat Zone section of the purple book, but I am a little confused. I thought that an element that is 1 BW away is not in the TZ. Essentially on the "border" of 1 BW. This came up because I thought using a full BW recoil would help me getting out of an enemy element's TZ but my friend and I decided that it would not: element would still be in TZ. In a 15mm game, this would mean that if any portion of your base edge is equal to 40mm or less away from an enemy element it is restricted by the TZ. Is this right? If so, I don't understand why being able to recoil 1 BW is all that useful. You and your friend were correct..."within" means touching...and "touches the far edge" is also included in the text.... Heavy foot cannot "close the door" on an element 1 BW away. That requires a move 2.44 BWs. We argued strongly for this in order to protect Cv, Kn, and Lh from being hit in the flank by "solid" infantry. It also gives an interesting choice in Kn vs Kn matchups... nothing like getting your Kn General deep behind enemy lines! Joe Collins |
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Post by crazycaptain560 on Dec 29, 2017 17:09:42 GMT
Thank you for the quick replies! This makes more sense to me now. Another question (sorry I don't want to hunt through the videos right now and I am new to 3.0/DBA overall) Does an element TZ extend in all directions at all times? For example, if an element is in front base to base and corner contact with an enemy element, does it extend its TZ beyond the element it is engaging? My friend cleverly utilized his Psiloi to cause nasty TZs to make my movement more difficult. I thought of engaging that Psiloi element directly, but we read the rules as an element always exerts its TZ regardless of combat. If this is the case, TZs are even more important than I first thought!
Thoughts?
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Post by lkmjbc on Dec 29, 2017 18:39:33 GMT
Thank you for the quick replies! This makes more sense to me now. Another question (sorry I don't want to hunt through the videos right now and I am new to 3.0/DBA overall) Does an element TZ extend in all directions at all times? For example, if an element is in front base to base and corner contact with an enemy element, does it extend its TZ beyond the element it is engaging? My friend cleverly utilized his Psiloi to cause nasty TZs to make my movement more difficult. I thought of engaging that Psiloi element directly, but we read the rules as an element always exerts its TZ regardless of combat. If this is the case, TZs are even more important than I first thought! Thoughts? Yes... In fact an interesting tactic is now pinning enemy reserves in place with the X-ray threat zone. You can usually use this against 2.2 players. Of course people soon learn to keep their reserves at a safer distance... Keep them close to the front lines...but not too close! Joe Collins |
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Post by crazycaptain560 on Dec 29, 2017 21:08:38 GMT
Thanks again guys, this has been very helpful!
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