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Post by paulhannah on Oct 11, 2016 18:28:36 GMT
Okay, "Vodnik", that's a nice list. Now, how about researching and creating a 12-element scenario or two from among those you listed? --Complete with terrain details, hard-coded starting positions, and special rules, of course! (Grins.)
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Post by paulhannah on Oct 6, 2016 20:46:13 GMT
Sounds good to me, Chris. But, before making the change, maybe we should all pack our bags for a week or two of on-site "research". Grins.
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Post by paulhannah on Oct 6, 2016 13:06:51 GMT
A nice looking scenario. One way to change the balance would be to give the Pergamenes some 3Ax or 4Ax instead of the 7Hd. Is there any reason that you decided on the 7Hd? They're not too flash against 4Wb! I'm impressed at 14 figures on a horde base, mind! Thanks, Commiades. Totally agree that running that Pergamene Citizen Militia as 4Ax instead of 7Hd would serve the Greeks better, but here's my rationale keeping the Horde option: - With so little historical evidence available, I made the plausible guess that, faced with this perilous invasion, if ever the Pergamenes would muster their artisans and bankers into a "home guard", this was it.
- I wanted to give the Galatian player a tactical dilemma: Send the 4Wb down the GG chute, with the potential of QK's on the Hordes, or, run the Cv / LCh down the center, with the potential of winning by exiting the Greeks' base-edge.
- I love Hordes. BTW, there are "only" 13 figures on each base, not 14. --Who would ever put 14 figures on a base?
The scenario played to favorable reviews last night. The Barbarians won 3 out of 4, all by close scores, e.g. 4-3, etc. Here's one view of action in the center as things started to go south for the Greeks in one game. We did make one last change: The Rocky Area at the 3 O'Clock position (see map above) was changed to a Marsh (BG). Made for a more interesting game. Who knew one could have so much fun with seven Psiloi?
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Post by paulhannah on Oct 5, 2016 21:35:55 GMT
Thanks for maintaining and posting these FAQ's. I learn something new with each update.
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Post by paulhannah on Oct 5, 2016 20:34:23 GMT
Great news Paul, hope you guys enjoy your game and maybe you will post it on here? Will do. They'll take the field in live action (not just play-tests) this evening. Meanwhile, here's a posed shot of the Pergamene Citizen Militia. If I recall correctly, they and Spartan Helots are the only Horde elements among all Greek / Hellenistic armies, right? Truly ancient, 15mm Heritage figures. Pergamenes were my first-ever Ancients army, way back in WRG 6th days. The cavalry still sport their 1980 paint-scheme.
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Post by paulhannah on Oct 5, 2016 18:16:05 GMT
Robert, your suggestions were very helpful. By placing a few, smaller BG & RG features, the Greek Psiloi now have the option of using them as "stepping stones", just as you suggested. Yet, a large swath of GG in the center gives the Galatian horse the corridor of approach they plausibly would have used. I also changed the VC's so that any Galatian Cv or LCh (instead of Wb) element that exits the Greek base-edge counts as a lost Pergamene element.
Eddie, you had some good, out-of-the-box ideas too. Thanks for those. Since several in our group are still hesitant to cool about DBA-3, I want to keep the basic mechanics and such unchanged, as much as possible.
So, here's the scenario now, with hard-coded terrain and Pergamene deployment for the scenario.The Battle of Caecus River, 241 BC
Created by Paul A. Hannah
II/30b Galatian vs. II/34 Attalid Pergamene Historical Background
The eastern migration of Celtic tribes in the 3rd Century BC caused great unrest in the Greek world. Pergamon in Asia Minor initially paid tribute to the Galatians in return for protection against further raids. King Attalus I, who ascended to the Pergamene throne in 241 BC, ceased further payments. Both sides mobilized for war. In the pivotal battle, the Greeks and Barbarians met “near the source of the Caecus River”, west of Pergamon. Terrain, as shown belowThe battlefield is as shown. There are 2 Difficult Hills (BG) near the Pergamene edge. Continuing in a clockwise manner, the other features, all small, are a Woods (BG), a Gully (BG) to represent the river’s source, an Enclosure (RG), and a Marsh (BG). Order of Battle II/30b Galatian 1xLCh (Gen), 1xLCh, 2xCv, 5x4Wb, 2xPs (Psidian Greeks), 1x4Wb or SCh. II/34 Attalid Pergamene 1xCv (Gen, as noted by a white D6), 1xCv, 1xLH, 2x7Hd (Citizen Militia), 7xPs Deployment
The Pergamene deployment is hardcoded as shown. There is no Pergamene Camp. The Galatian player deploys within the DBA-3 deployment restrictions and moves first. Victory Conditions
Normal DBA, except that any Galatian Cv or LCh element that exits the Pergamene base-edge counts as an element lost for the Pergamene player. (This is to simulate the importance, to the Greeks, of stopping the Celtic invasion.) Aftermath
There are no known details of the battle, so this scenario is entirely conjectural. The terrain was loosely based on Google Maps at a plausible location for the battle. What is known is that the Pergamenes achieved a major victory, and the Galatians’ migration into Asia Minor was halted. Attalus I took on the surname “Sóter” (Savior), and the battle was commemorated in the famous Hellenistic sculpture, “The Dying Gaul”.
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Post by paulhannah on Oct 4, 2016 17:47:13 GMT
I'm stumped. I'm trying to design a scenario for the historically (and artistically) significant Battle of Caecus River, 241 BC, between II/30b Galatians and II/34 Pergamenes. It's the battle in which the Celtic invasion of Greece and Asia Minor was arrested. And, it's the battle immortalized in this famous piece of Hellenistic art, "The Dying Gaul". There are no known details of the battle, which, of course, leaves us free to make them up entirely! I envision a standard, 12-element (or approximately 12) scenario. I tried incorporating these few shreds of info into the scenario: 1) It was located near the source of a river. So, I placed a "corner" River a two Marshes generally in the center and right of the Pergamenes' Deployment Area. A Difficult Hill was near the Galatians' base edge. Ample GG still on the Pergamenes' left for Cavalry and Chariotry to operate. 2) The Galatians were invading the Greeks' homelands. From that I gleaned that the Pergamenes Citizen Militia would be the 2x7Hd option. Also, altered the VC's so that any Celtic 4Wb that exited the Pergamene base-edge would count as a Greek element lost. I hoped that would cause the Pergamenes to use their many Psiloi aggressively in defense. But the play-tests were all duds. The Greek Psiloi didn't dare come out of the swamps with all that Celtic horse about. The Galatians largely ignored the Marshes, dispatched the Greek Hordes and Cavalry, and easily marched off the board on their way to Pergamon. I need some fresh ideas and am hoping more creative minds than mine can help me.
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Post by paulhannah on Sept 29, 2016 17:46:52 GMT
That SoA QRS looks fabulous and is a fine resource, but there's a small but significant error at the bottom of Page-1. In the Outcome Moves section, it says that Bows pursue. They don't, but Warbands do. (Page-12) Simply cross out "Bw" and insert "Wb".
//Paul in Seattle
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