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Post by Haardrada on Jul 13, 2018 21:50:27 GMT
I have since the publication of 3.0 been careful to consider adding allies to my existing armies or including them in new armies.I also checked out the Big Battle assessments to see how the addition of an ally could change the rated performance of each individual army...I'm not particularly competitive...I just like fast and manouverable armies and any advice on using an army can't be a bad thing..eh? Another reason is to keep your opponent guessing as it widens the choice of elements you could field...mind he/she could do the same. But I also find the addition of an ally interesting...the Hsuing nu can have a Chinese ally with a Kn and 2 x 8cb adding more punch and firepower.The South Welsh can add English Kn allies,the Ghaznavids can add Rajput Kn or Ellies,My Hindu Indians can add Tibetan 4Kn,My Grenadines can add Islamic Berbers with additional Sp,Kn or Cm and my Timurids can add more Lh (mongols) or a 3rd Bw element by adding Black sheep Turks....or I can choose from the original lists. The addition of an ally can provide a pip drain,particularly when push backs,persuits and flee moves occur..so using an ally is not always a good idea. legacydirs.umiacs.umd.edu/~kuijt/BBDBA/ArmyAssessment.htmlAnyone have a copy of this saved?Just asking as the link is broken or it has been deleted?
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Post by Haardrada on Jul 8, 2018 15:48:54 GMT
Thanks for your reply Robert it is an eye opener.I also was wondering about the "ally" status to the Marian Roman list...as at the Battle of Bagridas 46 BC it was a larger Numidian army that did the majority of the fighting while the Romans defended their camp.lol The Late Republican period is a slightly different kettle of fish.
I am not convinced that every legion raised during the civil war would have carried a unique shield pattern. The vexillum for each maniple is a simpler means to identify the legion. That said, some legion might have symbols painted such as crescent moon or swirl patterns as depicted in Armies and Enemies of Rome, others suggest the depiction of animals, such as the boar, bull, Capricorn or eagle might also have been used.
Choices.
I think I read that Varus had raised 2 of his 3 Legions in Numidia so this may apply nicely.
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Post by Haardrada on Jul 8, 2018 8:59:20 GMT
Thanks for your reply Robert it is an eye opener.I also was wondering about the "ally" status to the Marian Roman list...as at the Battle of Bagridas 46 BC it was a larger Numidian army that did the majority of the fighting while the Romans defended their camp.lol
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Post by Haardrada on Jul 7, 2018 23:09:06 GMT
Anyone have any idea which Roman Legions were allied to the Numidians and what shield designs or colour they may have had please?
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Post by Haardrada on Jul 6, 2018 4:53:07 GMT
Hi I am considering building a Numidian army and really like the look of the 15mm Magister Militum figures and the Baueda figures too.Can figures from these ranges be mixed or are they not compatable?
The bigger question is what figure ranges can be mixed successfully be it 6mm,10mm,15mm,20mm,25mm,28mm,54mm or other?
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Post by Haardrada on Jul 1, 2018 9:12:19 GMT
I use both Bow (+2/+4) and "longbow" (+3/+4) because these types of troops model known historical troop types. (As to the DBMM stuff - Bow shoot at +3 in DBMM so this suggestion has been tried and Phil wanted this for DBA 3.0 but got shouted down by now departed playtesters. I've played DBMM and have the headache to prove it. It has many complex rules that in the end make Bow a +3 v. Foot most of the time). TomT Very well Tom, let us adopt the DBMM shooting system... but the target priority as well, not just the shooting factor against foot. Otherwise concentrated CF 3 fire at long range becomes too deadly, especially against CF 3 targets such as Pk/Ax/Wb. DBMM says: “...can only shoot at the target most directly in front of their shooting edge (i.e. closest to a line perpendicular to the centre of that (shooting) edge).” In other words, must target the nearest enemy. So abandoning Pimuspilus’ suggestion (which I thought was simple and precise), here is the new proposal in full:- Solid Bows: CF 3 against foot, but fast 3Bw stays at CF 2 (4/8Bw are the ‘heavy’ bowmen, heavy due to their dense formation). Target Priority: must prioritize shooting at the nearest target (this helps prevent solid shooters from freely concentrating their new powerful CF 3...and helps make close range shooting equal instead of being weaker than long range shooting). Knock-on Effects: CF 3 makes good Psiloi killers, so Ps flee if doubled by close combat bows (this helps to prevent bows from charging into melee with Ps, and is similar to Tom’s excellent suggestion that LH should flee if doubled by bows). Veering Away: no need for Joe’s +1 PIP to contact shooters (CF 3 causes more recoils, especially if support shooters can also target the nearest enemy at close range, making it harder and more PIP costly to contact shooters). Therefore, getting back to Jim’s original 8Bw testing, doubled based 8Bw should not get side-support (CF 3, +1 for double base, and +1 for side-support, would be CF 5...equal to supported Sp/Bd in close combat, and far too high. CF 4 should be the limit). That just leaves us with the 4Ax problem: how can we give 4Ax a +1 without knock-on effects against Ps/Ax/Wb/Hd/Bw? I know...a new tactical factor. +1 to 4Ax when in close combat with Sp, Pk, or Bd, (unless in bad going, etc)... ...because unlike irregular native 3Ax, the 4Ax are disciplined regulars trained to close-up into a tight close formation when facing heavy foot. Not abstract, not illogical, but perfectly in keeping with 21st century logic (unless you believe 4Ax troops would stay in a loose formation and want to be defeated and killed). (I don’t really care about which method is used... ..I just want my little metal soldiers to behave as the ancient historians said they did. At the moment, some of them don't...)Some potentially useful player aids can be found here, such as the “Quick Reference Sheets” from the Society of Ancients, and the new “Army List Corrections” file: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes And this is the latest January 2018 FAQ: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ_2018
The bonus for the 4Ax in close combat is a good idea and very simular to a basing system under the old WRG rules where you could base your LHI/LMI with a HI/MI frontage but with the usual LHI/LMI depth to allow the same figure frontage in combat.
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Post by Haardrada on Jun 30, 2018 18:06:07 GMT
I have since the publication of 3.0 been careful to consider adding allies to my existing armies or including them in new armies.I also checked out the Big Battle assessments to see how the addition of an ally could change the rated performance of each individual army...I'm not particularly competitive...I just like fast and manouverable armies and any advice on using an army can't be a bad thing..eh? Another reason is to keep your opponent guessing as it widens the choice of elements you could field...mind he/she could do the same. But I also find the addition of an ally interesting...the Hsuing nu can have a Chinese ally with a Kn and 2 x 8cb adding more punch and firepower.The South Welsh can add English Kn allies,the Ghaznavids can add Rajput Kn or Ellies,My Hindu Indians can add Tibetan 4Kn,My Grenadines can add Islamic Berbers with additional Sp,Kn or Cm and my Timurids can add more Lh (mongols) or a 3rd Bw element by adding Black sheep Turks....or I can choose from the original lists. The addition of an ally can provide a pip drain,particularly when push backs,persuits and flee moves occur..so using an ally is not always a good idea. legacydirs.umiacs.umd.edu/~kuijt/BBDBA/ArmyAssessment.htmlThanks for the link Haardrada, going to be an interesting read! Based on everyone's posts, I think I should paint up three more core elements for the Albanians that the Allies are currently taking up, and see how the non-Allied Albanians perform. I am about to start painting up a Wallachian army, and am aiming to do the same thing I originally did with the Albanians, and use Allies, in this case Polish allies and give the Wallachians 3x3Kn, and remove 1xLH and 2xPs core elements.
I wonder if Vlad ever allied with the Poles?.. think he did with the Hungarians, but still have a long read ahead of me.
I would say use what you want to use and what suites your style of play...if you want to take your fight to your enemy then the allies will beef up your army,if you want to invite your enemy to attack you in heavy terrain then use the core army...as long as its fun. The Wallachians sound inviting and with such a renowned leader!lol I would be tempted to drop 3×Ps (there are still 2 remember)and from the Late Poles I'd add 2×3Kn and 1×8Cb...that would give me a core of 3Kns backed by Lh and 3 shooty elements backed by a few bad terrain elements...but thats just my view.
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Post by Haardrada on Jun 30, 2018 10:43:58 GMT
Has anyone considered trying the side support for 8Bw and Pk?There is some Historical evidence of different armies experimenting with such formations but no evidence of its effectiveness.
Alexander certainly experimented with mixed Pk and Bow units but this may not have been put into practice. Tang Chinese certainly used mixed Spear and bow formations and Charles the Bold certainly advocated using mixed Pk and bow formations in his Ordonnances.
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Post by Haardrada on Jun 29, 2018 22:49:26 GMT
I have since the publication of 3.0 been careful to consider adding allies to my existing armies or including them in new armies.I also checked out the Big Battle assessments to see how the addition of an ally could change the rated performance of each individual army...I'm not particularly competitive...I just like fast and manouverable armies and any advice on using an army can't be a bad thing..eh? Another reason is to keep your opponent guessing as it widens the choice of elements you could field...mind he/she could do the same. But I also find the addition of an ally interesting...the Hsuing nu can have a Chinese ally with a Kn and 2 x 8cb adding more punch and firepower.The South Welsh can add English Kn allies,the Ghaznavids can add Rajput Kn or Ellies,My Hindu Indians can add Tibetan 4Kn,My Grenadines can add Islamic Berbers with additional Sp,Kn or Cm and my Timurids can add more Lh (mongols) or a 3rd Bw element by adding Black sheep Turks....or I can choose from the original lists. The addition of an ally can provide a pip drain,particularly when push backs,persuits and flee moves occur..so using an ally is not always a good idea. legacydirs.umiacs.umd.edu/~kuijt/BBDBA/ArmyAssessment.html
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Post by Haardrada on Jun 24, 2018 9:38:15 GMT
This simply screams for a (standard-sized) DBA Scenario Game. And a good single-malt. My wife would suggest Bowmore or Glenmorangie. Cheers, I recommend the latter.😉
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Post by Haardrada on Jun 24, 2018 7:40:32 GMT
His longbows will cut your mounted and Pk to pieces. Your most powerful elements are your Pk...so get them into action as soon as possible, protected by your Ps.
I just had a few questions for you stevie. 1.) Lb's killing Pike? I have never had that happen to me, its 2 vs 6. Or do you not count rear support against distance shooting? 2.) How should I screen with my Psiloi? When ever they move forward they usually get rushed by his knights and proceed to get quick killed by them. 3.) On an unrelated note can you move directly backwards and out of combat, if you have full frontal contact with an enemy element? And also thank you for publishing the Army list Corrections. That shows that Free Companies are not a historical pair with the Spanish like in the book. When I do play against one of the actual historical pairs like Medieval Portugese or French Ordnance or Islamic Berber the games are much closer and better balanced. Hi Mattadami I'd like to answer a few of your questions first...Pk elements do not receive the +3 bonus for rear support when being shot at...so a LB element will be at +2 to your +3 for Pk,but if he can shoot in support of his Lb with 2 more elements your Pk will receive a -1 factor each of his supporting elements (+2 vs +3-2= +2 vs +1). Secondly, I think Stevie is trying to use the Ps as a screen against other troops (screening against shooting is an obvious reason).If you check out the interpenetration rules then you can see what Stevie is getting at...If the knights make straight for your Ps then you have time to interpenetrate with your Pk leaving the Kn facing Pk leaving your Ps free to move to flanks to overlap if room permits should combat become locked between your Pk and his Kn. What I would add is if you selection of terrain if your defending.The Free Company has several Solid foot elements which are slowed by terrain...Bd fights with a -2 factor in Bad going and some terrain restricts bow range and firing arcs..all could work in your favour. Terrain can also be used to break up his battleline and to concentrate your faster troops on part of his line before he can act...it can also play havoc with the Lb effectiveness as they have to move into position to shoot but can only move 1bw or less when shooting.Your army has arable terrain so yo can choose a lot of rough terrain types (BUA-hamlet,enclosures,scrub and boggy).Rough does not effect foot combat factors, but will still slow his Solid elements and is a nightmare for mounted elements.Also check the combat outcomes of your troops vs his...some troop types are only QK in good going so will have more staying power in rough or bad going...Ps are a lot less vulnerable in terrain and can hold up/delay Bd and are virtually equal to Lb.😉
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Post by Haardrada on Jun 23, 2018 11:59:34 GMT
On this day in 1314 the Scottish army of Robert the Bruce routed the English army of Edward II.😊
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Post by Haardrada on Jun 23, 2018 6:24:09 GMT
A strange phenomenon that has always been present.😁
"Making Athens City State Great Again!"
I just wish I could regain the interest and enthusiasm to finish painting the army.😁
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Post by Haardrada on Jun 22, 2018 23:00:00 GMT
PS Heaven forbid that rich and influential families influence modern day politics... A strange phenomenon that has always been present.😁
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Post by Haardrada on Jun 22, 2018 20:46:17 GMT
Didn't the Athenians also have slaves?Plus their version of Democracy was a lot more of the rich and influential families to squabble for power than the hybrid system systems we boast today.
Remember to the victor the spoils...and their version how they achieved it.😉
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