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Post by macbeth on May 14, 2017 7:20:57 GMT
As I power through the process of bringing my Sung and Yuan era collections up to DBA3 code I have started replacing some of the patchy armies.
I can't really complain, the armies were very cheap thanks to Brian Hall of Hall of Ancient Warriors, but there are two of them that don't match up to the care and detail of my Southern Sung, Yuan, Koroyo and of course Nan Chao and Samurai.
The Siamese were made up with spare HAW Khmer after I bought quite a bit of the Outpost Khmer figures (they were on special at Olympian Games) and I am now partway through building a new army with a mix of Irregular and Khurusan Siamese figs. It is necessary to have some way to differentiate between 3Bd, 3Wb and 3Ax in the army as you can now have a any combination of these three in six elements, whereas in DBA2.2 it was all 3Ax or all 3Wb so the one set of six elements would suffice. They will be spectacular when done.
But my Medieval Viets are just a scattering of whatever figures Brian had lying around at the time, so they are crying out for a rework. So my question is - what range would people use for the IV/60 Medieval Vietnamese? Sources are limited (at least I haven't found many myself) but the lists suggest Chinese style clothing but with round shields.
Many thanks
Cheers
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Post by paulhannah on May 24, 2017 23:51:57 GMT
I was so hoping someone would reply that a dedicated range of figures for the III/60 Medieval Vietnamese had just been released. Alas, only the sound of crickets.
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Post by vodnik on May 25, 2017 15:53:53 GMT
...you could try Outpost. There are Hindu & Tamin Indians, Burmes & Chinesee for a terirble mix...
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Post by macbeth on May 25, 2017 22:48:56 GMT
(Taken from my post on the painting thread) My Current Vietnamese are an army thrown together with cast offs from Hall of Ancient Warriors. He had a picture of a painted Vietnamese army on his website with a (very reasonable) price tag on it, so I asked if it was still available but sadly it was gone. He sent me an unpainted army but it was made up all sorts of figures. I made the Cv element out of Burmese (Chariot) and Khmer (Outpost), the Ps, Cb and Bd were all Various Chinese ranges from HAW but the Ax were allsorts. One of the Elephants is a BIG plastic toy but it looks good with a howdah glued on. The Wb are Irregular Indians and the Art is probably an Irregular piece as well - I was given it painted long ago by my wargames mentor. This army is looking tired next to the rest of the Yuan/Sung collection and the Purple book needs me to 1) Ditch the Art - which has moved on to the Hsi Hsia (and the 4x3Ax which I had never built at the time since in 2.2 Ax was Ax wa Ax). 2) Add 1x4Bw, 1xCv and 1xPs Cursory research online suggest that later Medieval Viet Cv were well armoured so what I am planning is 1) An Outpost Ching Cv element for the additional Cv (trust me they don't look as out of place as you might first think) 2) A mix of HAW and Evil Gong generic Chinese Archers for the 4Bw 3) Some Chinese figs of unknown provenance (some may be Grumpy Chinese peasants) that I bought in bulk from a bring and buy and I think they were destined for a major Boxer or Taiping Rebellion game - they all have spears, add a round shield and the 4x4Ax is taken care of 4) The existing Cv and Ps will be rebased and stay with the army 5) A Grumpy Ming Handgunner and an Outpost Ching drummer will become the additional Ps (Handgunners) 6) Still debating what to do for the Cb - my current figs look too much like Chin to stay on 7) I may replace the Elephants as my (again very cursory) research makes it look like Vietnamese El had platforms not unlike the Khmer/Cham I was less ambitions than Paul and just hoped someone would post "You can use XXXX range of YYYY to be Vietnamese so long as no one notices that the tunic hemlines are too long" but would have been overjoyed to hear of a dedicated range. What is currently setting my droolometer off is the Facebook post from Khurusan about his plans to build a Jurchen Jin range. My evil plan to have every Chinese army is slowly coming to fruition - but it will be delayed as I paint up yet another Sung army using Khurusan this time as those figures are to die for. Cheers I bought up a fair number of Outpost Ching when Olympian Games was clearing them out, and the bulk load of Grumpy Ching and Ming along with the other Chinese colonial types were a bargain buy at Cancon's bring and buy a few years ago. I have set aside a number of figures for a Ming Army out of them.
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Post by Spitzicles on May 25, 2017 23:09:54 GMT
David,
"My evil plan to have every Chinese army is slowly coming to fruition"
This made my laugh out loud!
And I must admit that I am considering doing the same with Arab armies. I have the Umayyads and Abbasids, now looking at figures for Zanj Rebellion .... I can see how people get started, and before they know it - viola - you have the lot!
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Post by macbeth on May 26, 2017 4:19:51 GMT
David, "My evil plan to have every Chinese army is slowly coming to fruition" This made my laugh out loud! And I must admit that I am considering doing the same with Arab armies. I have the Umayyads and Abbasids, now looking at figures for Zanj Rebellion .... I can see how people get started, and before they know it - viola - you have the lot! It is called OCD(BA)
Cheers
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Post by Tony Aguilar on May 26, 2017 14:26:14 GMT
(Taken from my post on the painting thread) My Current Vietnamese are an army thrown together with cast offs from Hall of Ancient Warriors. He had a picture of a painted Vietnamese army on his website with a (very reasonable) price tag on it, so I asked if it was still available but sadly it was gone. Must be this one below I saw a while ago on the net and save the pic:
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Post by macbeth on May 27, 2017 1:20:37 GMT
That is indeed the one Tony. In Australian Dollars that is an excellent price for a DBA Army My own attempt using Brian's figures did not come close in looks. Here's hoping my next attempt looks better. BTW - how are your Nan Chao coming along? I have to finish the 4x3Ax and they are done (but they won't be a patch on yours) Cheers
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Post by Tony Aguilar on May 30, 2017 14:33:59 GMT
BTW - how are your Nan Chao coming along? I have to finish the 4x3Ax and they are done (but they won't be a patch on yours) Making slow progress. There are lots of holidays and birthdays during this time of year so I haven't even been able to paint for more than a couple of session in the last couple of weeks.
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Post by paulhannah on Jun 13, 2017 8:52:26 GMT
My current Vietnamese are an army thrown together with cast offs from Hall of Ancient Warriors... I've not heard of " Hall of Ancient Warriors" figures before. Are they new? Or, perhaps a re-branding of some much older range, e.g. Asgard, etc.? And, yes, as an aside, I too eagerly await Khurasan's hinted new release of a Jurchen-Chin range.
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Post by macbeth on Jun 13, 2017 23:32:50 GMT
My current Vietnamese are an army thrown together with cast offs from Hall of Ancient Warriors... I've not heard of " Hall of Ancient Warriors" figures before. Are they new? Or, perhaps a re-branding of some much older range, e.g. Asgard, etc.? And, yes, as an aside, I too eagerly await Khurasan's hinted new release of a Jurchen-Chin range. Brian Hall and his company "Hall of Ancient Warriors" is a small scale operation in Melbourne, Australia www.hallofancientwarriors.com
Brian carries Chariot, Donnington and Lancashire ranges as well as his own which might be a rebranding of an older range but I am not sure.
He always supplies the 1st place trophy for my competitions, A painted vignette of several 25mm figures on a base, with the plate engraved. In the past he would send up lots of unpainted DBA armies from his own ranges, with full options and a baggage element - contained in an old VCR case for sale at my tournaments. His prices were very reasonable (mostly between $10 and $30 Australian), a goodly number of my campaign armies date back to this era of plenty. These days he sends 1-2 painted DBA Armies for $100 a piece.
Not all of his ranges have loads of detail, My Sea Peoples don't look great, but the Burmese are a different matter. Given the price tag I was happy with the results .
Brian always seems to be able to paint his figures up to look great though.
Cheers
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Post by macbeth on Jul 23, 2017 8:15:54 GMT
The finishing touches were finally made to my glorious Medieval Vietnamese as of today. It has been quite a journey and I am pleased with the result. The figures are a mix of different ranges. The earth on the base is crushed white pumice, painted Red Ochre and then gone over once more with a light black wash. The rocks and tree branches were taken from the ground - the smaller rocks and the branches came from the nests of Australian Meat Ants. The green tufts are from Leadbear. Thanks Barry. The foliage making up the bushes is of unknown provenance - Wf(X) bought it for me for Christmas from Olympian Games. The Army Arrayed The General El or Cv - The Elly is from Hall of Ancient Warriors Khmer elephant - but with two Outpost Command figures cut off their bases and bent to look like they are kneeling on the Elephant. The Cavalry is made up of an Outpost Ching general and two Outpost Central Asian Turkish cavalry.
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Post by macbeth on Jul 23, 2017 8:27:15 GMT
Continuing on with this army The second Elephant in the army - this is another Hall of Ancient Warriors Elephant with a Burmese driver and a HAW Burmese Cavalry figure bent to sit on the elly. The Cavalry - this is two Magister Militum Burmese Cavalry and one Outpost Khmer Cavalry Court Halberdiers and Swordsmen (4Bd). The figures are of unknown provenance but I suspect they are Grumpy Miniatures Ming or Chinese Peasants. I bought a job lot of these from a secondhand stall. It looks like they were part of someone's stalled project to do a big 15mm Boxer Rebellion game.
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Post by macbeth on Jul 23, 2017 8:33:49 GMT
Continuing on again The Court Archers (4Bw) and Crossbowmen (4Cb). The Archers are made up of three Evil Gong Southern Dynasties Bowmen and One Hall of Ancient Warriors Archer who may be either Han or Chin. The Crossbows are two of the new Essex Tang Crossbows, One new Essex Tang foot command and a Kennington Miniatures Yuan Crossbow. Militia Spearmen (4Ax) which are either more Grumpy Ming/Peasant or perhaps Tabeltop Games Boxers. I found 16 small round shields to add to the figures. There were about 6 varieties and I mixed them around. I bought them in the same job lot as the Court Halberdiers above. Militia Archers (Ps) mostly Hall of Ancient Warriors (Chin or Han) archers along with Evil Gong Southern Dynasty bowmen. Like the Elephant and the Cv (non generals) - these figures were part of my Original Medieval Vietnamese. I rebased them without repainting.
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Post by macbeth on Jul 23, 2017 8:44:51 GMT
And to round it off Here are the Tribesmen (3Wb) and Handgunners (Ps). The Wb are more of the Boxer job lot whilst the Ps are a Grumpy Ming handgunner and an Outpost Ching foot command drummer
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