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Post by timurilank on Mar 18, 2024 16:19:02 GMT
A query to Fanatici, an Alamanni general (Cv//4Wb) has a second
warband element directly behind in contact forming a column.
Dismounting, does the second element automatically close the
distance to remain in column or must the adjustment cost a pip?
How would you play this?
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Post by hodsopa on Mar 18, 2024 16:34:44 GMT
I would instinctively play that it remains in column, but I think it has to be a FAQ because the rules seem silent.
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Post by paulisper on Mar 18, 2024 17:15:40 GMT
I would instinctively play that it remains in column, but I think it has to be a FAQ because the rules seem silent. I’m with Paul H - they stay in column… P |
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Post by vodnik on Mar 18, 2024 17:20:20 GMT
...for me it is an anglosaxon error. The Alemanni were initialy a male group of loosers from beaten germanic tribes. They did fight as infantry including the commander. If there were any mounted troops, then any beaten Huns or Alans as scouts. The hardest enemies of Alemanni were Burgundians. That is the reason for Huns or Alans...
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Post by paulisper on Mar 18, 2024 18:51:57 GMT
...for me it is an anglosaxon error. The Alemanni were initialy a male group of loosers from beaten germanic tribes. They did fight as infantry including the commander. If there were any mounted troops, then any beaten Huns or Alans as scouts. The hardest enemies of Alemanni were Burgundians. That is the reason for Huns or Alans... Great to know, but doesn’t really help with the question 😝 P |
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Post by martin on Mar 18, 2024 20:34:23 GMT
...for me it is an anglosaxon error. The Alemanni were initialy a male group of loosers from beaten germanic tribes. They did fight as infantry including the commander. If there were any mounted troops, then any beaten Huns or Alans as scouts. The hardest enemies of Alemanni were Burgundians. That is the reason for Huns or Alans...  ? |
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Post by martin on Mar 18, 2024 20:37:58 GMT
A query to Fanatici, an Alamanni general (Cv//4Wb) has a second warband element directly behind in contact forming a column. Dismounting, does the second element automatically close the distance to remain in column or must the adjustment cost a pip? How would you play this? I seem to recall that when v3 first came out this was discussed at some length (specifically relating to dismounting Mycenaean charioteers), and the ‘decision was ‘no, they end up separated’: just the front edges remain in place as you replace the LCh with the 4Bd, or in this case the Cv with the 4Wb. |
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Post by menacussecundus on Mar 18, 2024 20:57:58 GMT
A query to Fanatici, an Alamanni general (Cv//4Wb) has a second warband element directly behind in contact forming a column. Dismounting, does the second element automatically close the distance to remain in column or must the adjustment cost a pip? How would you play this? I seem to recall that when v3 first came out this was discussed at some length (specifically relating to dismounting Mycenaean charioteers), and the ‘decision was ‘no, they end up separated’: just the front edges remain in place as you replace the LCh with the 4Bd, or in this case the Cv with the 4Wb. That is my recollection too. |
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Post by timurilank on Mar 18, 2024 21:59:32 GMT
My view is split on this, ergo the query.
Second element (4Wb) is of a type capable of supporting
the first in close combat, a general on foot (4Wb).
Therefore, closing ranks would seem logical.
One could also argue, the 10mm space represents horses
and their handlers moving toward the rear in that bound.
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Post by jim1973 on Mar 19, 2024 22:43:26 GMT
I think an extra PIP to form up is fair for poor planning. If they are moving in column then the Cav is moving slowly to stay with the 4Wb. If it's planning to fight as a supported column then dismount early. If the general is uncertain and wants to stay mounted in case he needs to dash off then the penalty for that flexibility is that removing the horses causes some friction for the supporting infantry to close up. In our case, an extra PIP.
Cheers
Jim
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Post by timurilank on Mar 22, 2024 8:48:47 GMT
Thank you all for the replies.
The question was posed in anticipation of the clash between the Alamanni and the Franks.
As it turned out, the Alamanni general did not have that option.
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