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Post by vodnik on Jan 3, 2024 22:52:54 GMT
...808 Danes under Gudfred plunder Reric, 845 Danish attack on Hamburg; this are 2 examples of naval landings on enemy towns that means in difficult terrain. Can you fight a battle in Hamburg or Reric? Can the defender raise a improvised army? using hordes, psiloi, archers or spearmen. Any ideas??? |
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Post by vodnik on Jan 4, 2024 10:16:03 GMT
...maybe this will become house rules since street fighting is a bit too early for DBA. Hamburg and Reric were port cities, which is why dragon ships and cargo ships could land in the city area or close to it. In addition to the houses, there also needs to be space for markets and animal enclosures...
...for the defenders the home city is good terrain, but for the attackers it is difficult terrain. Depending on the dice roll: 1 or 2 rounds...
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Post by Brian Ború on Jan 4, 2024 14:08:03 GMT
How I love such topics.  The fort Hammaburg was not more than 75 m in diameter (max. 2 BW) and based on a big headland (Landzunge). It was next to a port and the Petri church. So if you stick to usual DBA scale, normal rules of attacking and defending a fort apply. The plan could be thus (littoral): N (littoral terrain) wall? (opt.) ) (littoral terrain) E ) BUA Houses Petri Church ) =====road====== ) Port Hammaburg ) (littoral terrain) shoreline ===================================== S To balance the scenario (because those vikings are tough like hell) you need a good counterpart, like city guards (Bd, Bw, Sp), and maybe a carolingian army, speeding up from the east and arriving little by little for the rescue ... |
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Post by timurilank on Jan 4, 2024 14:39:09 GMT
...maybe this will become house rules since street fighting is a bit too early for DBA. Hamburg and Reric were port cities, which is why dragon ships and cargo ships could land in the city area or close to it. In addition to the houses, there also needs to be space for markets and animal enclosures... ...for the defenders the home city is good terrain, but for the attackers it is difficult terrain. Depending on the dice roll: 1 or 2 rounds... Actually, a BUA (hamlet) is considered rough ground, thereby increasing the survival chances of many troops that would die if caught in the open. Visualise the narrowness of the streets and difficulty of command control (4BW). Mortimer (1054AD) and St. Albans (1455AD) can easily be fought using the DBA3. |
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Post by Brian Ború on Jan 4, 2024 14:46:25 GMT
...maybe this will become house rules since street fighting is a bit too early for DBA. Hamburg and Reric were port cities, which is why dragon ships and cargo ships could land in the city area or close to it. In addition to the houses, there also needs to be space for markets and animal enclosures... ...for the defenders the home city is good terrain, but for the attackers it is difficult terrain. Depending on the dice roll: 1 or 2 rounds... Sounds nice, that's the right way. Maybe we should put in even some house rules considering fire... |
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Post by vodnik on Jan 4, 2024 20:54:57 GMT
...i DBA Litiral landing affects max. 4 elements. That means 3 of these groups affects a whole army...  ...it is time to use my old fleet or not... |
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Post by Baldie on Jan 5, 2024 12:49:18 GMT
Having been involved in a number of Naval invasions on "Enemy Towns" one very good defence strategy is to ensure several bars are located between the dock and centre of the town.
Only rarely will the "Invader" make it to the heart of the town.
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Post by vodnik on Jan 6, 2024 9:50:47 GMT
...i did borow a map of Hamburg and the old Hammaburg. But it is not clear where the pubs were locatet. It can not be near the Petri church:  timurilank @: please help me with a link to Mortimer and St. Albans i didn't find it... |
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Post by timurilank on Jan 6, 2024 12:18:18 GMT
...i did borow a map of Hamburg and the old Hammaburg. But it is not clear where the pubs were locatet. It can not be near the Petri church: timurilank @: please help me with a link to Mortimer and St. Albans i didn't find it... Vodnik, The Battle of Mortimer and St. Albans were never posted to the blog. No photos were taken of the test games either. However, there are videos at YouTube;; Battle of Mortimer 1054 at History Marche Battle of St. Albans 1455 at Kings and Generals Cheers, |
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Post by Brian Ború on Jan 6, 2024 13:28:22 GMT
...i did borow a map of Hamburg and the old Hammaburg. But it is not clear where the pubs were locatet. It can not be near the Petri church: ... That's easy. Simply distribute them all over the place in a certain ratio to normal houses. Out of experience I'd say 2:1, or 3:1. |
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Post by vodnik on Jan 10, 2024 12:40:14 GMT
...Hamburg was a frankish harbour directed to the north sea but for swedish longships the baltic sea closer with more trafic in direction Starigrad later Oldenburg in Holstein or Liubice or later Lübeck in Wagria later Germany more in the east Rostock or Ralswiek on the island of Rügen and in Poland Wolin, Reric and Danzig(Gdańsk).The Rani were a dominant west Slavic tribe based on the island of Rügen and the southwestern mainland across the Strelasund in what is today northeastern Germany. In 1168, the Rani were defeated by King Valdemar I of Denmark...  ...so we have 2 Slavic Tribes boarding to the Baltic sea. From Starigrad and Lübeck the Wagri and from the east and Poland the Rani as naval trading powers. Use for the Wagri and other Abodrit tribes 3/1b. Use for the Rani 3/1a but change to the polish list from 3/60a until 1168. Ad for both tribes littoral as hometerrain...  |
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