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Post by Cromwell on Jan 14, 2020 18:51:30 GMT
None of the DBA variants for the Pike and shot era have really floated my boat. I have been fighting ECW battles using the "For King and Parliament" Rules.
They are excellent, play reasonably fast and seem accurate. I have also tried "Regiment of Foote" which also give a good game. But I am still hankering after a DBA version.
Therefore I am going to resurrect a DBA version based around DBRRR I was tinkering with sometime ago.
With luck I will post the rules on here in the next week or so.
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Post by Simon on Jan 14, 2020 19:15:41 GMT
Are you planning to have combined pike and foot units?
Cheers and look forward to seeing the fruit of your efforts.
Simon
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Post by Baldie on Jan 14, 2020 20:16:40 GMT
We have had a few games just swapping bits to ECW
Cavalry - Cavalry
Dragoons mounted - LH
Dragoons dismounted - Psiloi
Pike - Pike
Shotte - Bow
Warband - Warband
Artillery - Artillery
Terrain, mountain or arable
Basic forces for e.g.
1 x Cav General
4 x Pike
4 x Shotte
1 x LH
1 x Ps
1 x Art
1 x Cav General
2 x Cav
2 x LH
2 x Pike
4 x Shotte
1 x Ps
Trying to use it to get us going on a bigger ECW force
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Post by Cromwell on Jan 15, 2020 17:10:06 GMT
Are you planning to have combined pike and foot units? Cheers and look forward to seeing the fruit of your efforts. Simon Yes I am looking at combined pike/shot units. I have an idea for a flexible approach where muskets can be detached as separate units, but early stages yet. |
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Post by Cromwell on Jan 15, 2020 17:11:12 GMT
We have had a few games just swapping bits to ECW Cavalry - Cavalry Dragoons mounted - LH Dragoons dismounted - Psiloi Pike - Pike Shotte - Bow Warband - Warband Artillery - Artillery Terrain, mountain or arable Basic forces for e.g. 1 x Cav General 4 x Pike 4 x Shotte 1 x LH 1 x Ps 1 x Art 1 x Cav General 2 x Cav 2 x LH 2 x Pike 4 x Shotte 1 x Ps Trying to use it to get us going on a bigger ECW force How did the battles play out? |
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Post by Baldie on Jan 15, 2020 20:08:55 GMT
Pretty good.
Doubt they were realistic of course but played a good game.
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Post by cursteckie on Apr 6, 2020 8:29:25 GMT
Hi all with lockdown in force, I've been working on a set of small action solo play ECW rules based on DBA, using De Bellis Solitarius mechanisms for the Non Playing General and a set of rules I found suggesting 10 elements per side plus a general.I've played it with Mounting Board tokens to represent the elements but plan to do it in 2mm. Here are the changes I've made, based on 15mm base sizes and 2 ft square table:-
Troop types
General is a specific troop type. Cavalry are Gallopers, Trotters, Lobsters, Lancers or mounted Dragoons. Foot are Infantry Unit (combined pike/shot), Skirmishers, Commanded Shot, Mob, dismounted dragoons, Highlanders. Infantry Unit, Highlanders and Mob mounted on 30 x 40mm bases, Skirmishers, Commanded Shot and dismounted Dragoons on 20 x 40mm bases. Artillery and camps on 40 x 40mm bases.
Terrain
Either Arable or Hilly. BUA is important in this era, I've simplified the rules for this. Terrain now includes enclosures(polygonal bad going impassable to mounted)
PIP dice allocation as per DBA, though 1 Pip to perform a manouever - Dismount/mount dragoons, form pike stand, rally shattered elements (these are units that have fled, except Skirmishers and Lancers. Highlanders pay a PIP not to charge.
Shooting Ranges are 6" for Artillery, 2" otherwise.
Melee I have added 'Push of Pike' If an Infantry unit is pushed back by an attacting infantry unit, the attacker follows up and the next round the defender fights with a -1 pushback modifier.
I'm new to this forum but would be willing to share my rules and welcome feedback. I have played several actions including Tippermuir
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Post by Cromwell on Apr 7, 2020 7:24:03 GMT
Hi all with lockdown in force, I've been working on a set of small action solo play ECW rules based on DBA, using De Bellis Solitarius mechanisms for the Non Playing General and a set of rules I found suggesting 10 elements per side plus a general.I've played it with Mounting Board tokens to represent the elements but plan to do it in 2mm. Here are the changes I've made, based on 15mm base sizes and 2 ft square table:- Troop types General is a specific troop type. Cavalry are Gallopers, Trotters, Lobsters, Lancers or mounted Dragoons. Foot are Infantry Unit (combined pike/shot), Skirmishers, Commanded Shot, Mob, dismounted dragoons, Highlanders. Infantry Unit, Highlanders and Mob mounted on 30 x 40mm bases, Skirmishers, Commanded Shot and dismounted Dragoons on 20 x 40mm bases. Artillery and camps on 40 x 40mm bases. Terrain Either Arable or Hilly. BUA is important in this era, I've simplified the rules for this. Terrain now includes enclosures(polygonal bad going impassable to mounted) PIP dice allocation as per DBA, though 1 Pip to perform a manouever - Dismount/mount dragoons, form pike stand, rally shattered elements (these are units that have fled, except Skirmishers and Lancers. Highlanders pay a PIP not to charge. Shooting Ranges are 6" for Artillery, 2" otherwise. Melee I have added 'Push of Pike' If an Infantry unit is pushed back by an attacting infantry unit, the attacker follows up and the next round the defender fights with a -1 pushback modifier. I'm new to this forum but would be willing to share my rules and welcome feedback. I have played several actions including Tippermuir This sounds very interesting. I like the terrain and push of pike idea very much. I would very much like to see your full rules. I drew up a set of DBA style rules which had a general element and suggested 10 elements per side. they can be found on my web site www.spanglefish.com/solitarywargamerThey are based around DBA-RRR and DBN. I have been using "For King and Parliament" rules by Simon Miller and Andrew Brentnall they are worth checking out. www.tapatalk.com/groups/tothestrongest/?You will see that I make the odd contribution to the forum. My own DBA for the ECW thoughts now have move to 12 elements per side using 3 commanders, one being the army commander and the others the wing commanders. Unit types include Pike/Shot combined Battalia Musket Battalia Pike Battalia Commanded shot Forlorn Hope Artillery Dragoons Trotters (Horse) Gallopers (Horse) Cavalry (Horse Less well trained) Typical Early war Parliamentarian campaigning army could be made up as follows 4 x Pike/shot battalia 2 x Trotters 2 x Cavalry 1 x Dragoons 1 x Artillery 2 x Commanded Shot or Forlorn Hope. |
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Post by cursteckie on Apr 7, 2020 7:48:13 GMT
Hi Cromwell,
I would have got the 10 element idea from yourself - I think that is really good as you need an extra bit of space. I will gladly send a copy of the rules but not sure how to do this via the forum as the attachment system isn't working, I'll include a Tippermuir battle report. About the enclosures, I'm going to do a refight of Nantwich, this seems to include an enclosure which critically reduced the Royalist foot. The other idea I had was infantry in pike stand to prevent outflanking by cavalry. The General pays a PIP and the unit remains static.It suffers a - 1 frontally against infantry units but is not destroyed by flanking units in flank contact except infantry units. I'm waiting for some 2mm figures from Irregular Miniatures.
John
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Post by Cromwell on Apr 7, 2020 15:01:13 GMT
Hi Cromwell, I would have got the 10 element idea from yourself - I think that is really good as you need an extra bit of space. I will gladly send a copy of the rules but not sure how to do this via the forum as the attachment system isn't working, I'll include a Tippermuir battle report. About the enclosures, I'm going to do a refight of Nantwich, this seems to include an enclosure which critically reduced the Royalist foot. The other idea I had was infantry in pike stand to prevent outflanking by cavalry. The General pays a PIP and the unit remains static.It suffers a - 1 frontally against infantry units but is not destroyed by flanking units in flank contact except infantry units. I'm waiting for some 2mm figures from Irregular Miniatures. John I will PM you my e-mail address. Perhaps you could send them to me that way. |
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Post by cursteckie on Apr 7, 2020 15:52:42 GMT
Hi will do, I assume you have access to my address?
John
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Post by Cromwell on Apr 7, 2020 17:37:18 GMT
Hi will do, I assume you have access to my address? John Yes I have your email address. You should have a Private message from me on this forum giving you mine, |
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Post by Oswald on Jul 13, 2020 12:16:11 GMT
Sorry to join this a little late, but I have only just returned to the forum after a few years break. Cromwell, you may recall we used to discuss ECW at length on the old forum - I really enjoyed testing your campaign system. Sadly, I parted with my 15mm ECW armies a year or two ago (under duress). However, hearing of your plans I think my 2mm TYW might fit the bill as I have gone for combined pike and shot on a single base. I'd be keen to hear how both you and John progress these ideas. Cheers Alan |
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Post by Cromwell on Jul 14, 2020 6:45:42 GMT
Hi
Great to see you back.
Yes I am still very much into my ECW. I am now exclusively using 28mm mixture of Irregular Miniatures and Warlord.
I am in the process of developing a mapless ECW campaign based in the fictional county of Chillingshire. I will post details when it's ben tested a bit more.
I still game DB-RRR but I have moved also into "For King and Parliament" rules by Simon Miller and Andrew Brentnall.
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