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Post by louien on Oct 18, 2018 19:55:12 GMT
Hello,
During a combat step one unit is in bad going (woods) and one is completely out, does only the unit that is in suffer the -2 tactical modifier (if it applies at all)?
I always get this one confused because of the wording in HOTT.
Thanks
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Oct 18, 2018 19:56:57 GMT
Yes, in DBA 3.0 the other unit is not affected by BG if itself is not in it.
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Post by louien on Oct 18, 2018 20:11:52 GMT
Thank you
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Post by Vic on Oct 19, 2018 9:46:43 GMT
Hello,
During a combat step one unit is in bad going (woods) and one is completely out, does only the unit that is in suffer the -2 tactical modifier (if it applies at all)?
I always get this one confused because of the wording in HOTT.
Thanks
Note that this distinction is also important for some results of the Combat Results Table - for instance, some mounted elements flee instead of recoiling if they themselves are in bad going (whether their enemy is in bad going or not) but Psiloi are destroyed by some mounted element if the Psiloi element is in terrain that the mounted element treats as good going (standard good going or, for mounted units with camels, also dunes or oasis), even if the mounted element itself is in bad going. In general the wording is unambiguous once you know that each element can be in different terrain.
Note also that this inequality also has effects on some outcome results - if a unit in bad going is fighting a unit in good going, the first won't pursue if it wins, but the second will, as long as it doesn't enter bad going in the process.
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Post by menacussecundus on Oct 19, 2018 11:00:11 GMT
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Note also that this inequality also has effects on some outcome results - if a unit in bad going is fighting a unit in good going, the first won't pursue if it wins, but the second will, probably entering bad going in the process.
"An element.....whose pursuit move....would....enter....bad going, does not pursue" (page 12, first paragraph of section headed PURSUING, second sentence edited to remove the words not relevant here). |
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Post by Vic on Oct 19, 2018 13:18:28 GMT
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Note also that this inequality also has effects on some outcome results - if a unit in bad going is fighting a unit in good going, the first won't pursue if it wins, but the second will, probably entering bad going in the process.
"An element.....whose pursuit move....would....enter....bad going, does not pursue" (page 12, first paragraph of section headed PURSUING, second sentence edited to remove the words not relevant here). Oh, I forgot that the exceptions that allow you to pursue into bad going (Marsh and Gully) also apply to pursing when you're in bad going, so if you are prevented from pursuing because you stand in bad going, your opponent will equally be prevented from pursuing you into bad going. My fault for writing without the Purple Book with me (a pdf version would be so useful...). |
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Post by phippsy on Nov 8, 2018 10:45:08 GMT
Just a clarification - if the rear corner of an element is in bad going, but the front edge where the combat is, is in good going, then the element still counts as in bad going for combat and combat outcomes.
Being upslope requires the contacted front edge of the element in combat to be upslope.
Correct?
Thanks
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Post by menacussecundus on Nov 8, 2018 10:59:49 GMT
Yes to both. In the case of being upslope, it is enough for part of an element's front edge to be upslope of the whole of the enemy element. It doesn't need to be the entire front edge.
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Post by paulisper on Nov 8, 2018 11:00:53 GMT
Being upslope requires the contacted front edge of the element in combat to be upslope. Correct? Thanks Yes, that is correct, with the rider that menacus points out too.. P |
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Post by Cromwell on Nov 9, 2018 8:19:21 GMT
A mounted unit in good going is fighting a unit in bad going. I am I correct in thinking that in this case the mounted unit is also counted as being in bad going?
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Post by scottrussell on Nov 9, 2018 9:12:06 GMT
A mounted unit in good going is fighting a unit in bad going. I am I correct in thinking that in this case the mounted unit is also counted as being in bad going? Cromwell. No. You are probably thinking of DBA 2.2. Bear in mind, though, that that outcomes are sometimes affected. So if psiloi in bad going are beaten, but not doubled, by Cv, Cm or Kt in good going, they are only recoiled, rather than being destroyed. Scott |
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Post by Cromwell on Nov 9, 2018 13:59:08 GMT
Yes I was remembering DBA 2.2. Thanks.
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