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Post by j2klbs on Sept 5, 2018 19:22:22 GMT
Just seeing if anyone sees value in SCh. I understand the fun factor is high and there are historical reasons to include them, but in a competitive list are they ever used?
When I look at the chances for destruction, they always are more likely to die than their opponent in every matchup except against Wb, and even there you would much rather have Kn.
Are they ever used in a competitive list (i.e. with hopes of winning a tournament)? If not, if there were ever 3.1 rules, should these be tweaked slightly to make them useful?
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Post by davidjconstable on Sept 6, 2018 9:13:12 GMT
Cannot say from experience in DBA3.0, however by observation of DBA3.0 and playing DBA2.2 they are worth it IF, very much IF, you can hit the correct target and can follow up your advantage.
David Constable
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Post by martin on Sept 6, 2018 17:01:07 GMT
Just seeing if anyone sees value in SCh. I understand the fun factor is high and there are historical reasons to include them, but in a competitive list are they ever used? > Are they ever used in a competitive list (i.e. with hopes of winning a tournament)? If not, if there were ever 3.1 rules, should these be tweaked slightly to make them useful? Well, they are expendable, so don’t count towards losing the game, which is a bonus. If you get lucky they can scythe through some enemy heavy foot, or make cavalry flee, and if they get destroyed then you’re no nearer losing the game. Their very presence will sometimes transfix an opponent’s focus, as they cannot be safely ignored. re rules changes - they were FAR more dangerous in v2.2, with a double move option to contact, which saw them roaring around flanks and generally causing mayhem. Their current status seems a tad more realistic and less likely to be a major game-changer than under the previous set, so perhaps more historical now (?). Martin |
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Post by menacussecundus on Sept 6, 2018 17:40:13 GMT
I would certainly use them in a competition. Whether or not this makes it a competitive list, may be a slightly different matter, but they can be a lot of fun.
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Post by Haardrada on Sept 6, 2018 20:20:40 GMT
I've always planned to do a Galatian army but other "projects" persuade me to put it on the back burner.I planned to use the Sch as either support for the Lt.Chariotry or to combine with the Wb to break into enemy foot formations....I'd expect it to be entertaining at the very least.😊
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Post by macbeth on Sept 6, 2018 23:18:43 GMT
When I fed all of the characteristics of SCh into my element rating formula they came out as the lowest rated of all elements - so if you are using them in one of the Canberra tournaments they are giving you the most bang for your buck when they do succeed.
As stated above - they were far more dangerous in 2.2 where they could charge a key target over 800 paces - that made them quite good at knocking out Art (which at the time only fought as +2) so even double overlapped the SCh v Art was an even fight and someone was going to die.
Cheers
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Post by j2klbs on Sept 7, 2018 18:53:36 GMT
In another post, I provide some numbers behind SCh which show them to be pretty behind the power curve.
I wonder if it would help have them only be destroyed on a tie vs. solid foot. Thoughts?
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Post by diades on Sept 8, 2018 21:06:10 GMT
I assume the quoted element ratings do not factor in their expendable characteristics. Were they to, they may not appear so weak. I'm with Martin on this. They distract opponents, can cause a lot of damage and are expendable and no longer the crazy killing machines of v 2.2, I'd happily onclude one in the right army.
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Post by scottrussell on Sept 9, 2018 8:55:43 GMT
Me too. They have quick kill on knights, for example. If no knight generals stray into range, it costs nothing to launch them at some heavy foot.
I think the portrayal is pretty historically accurate now. More so than in 2.2
Scott
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Post by davidjconstable on Sept 9, 2018 8:58:41 GMT
I assume the quoted element ratings do not factor in their expendable characteristics. Were they to, they may not appear so weak. I'm with Martin on this. They distract opponents, can cause a lot of damage and are expendable and no longer the crazy killing machines of v 2.2, I'd happily onclude one in the right army. Agree with distraction, I have seen a game where a player had on one flank well towards the board edge an SCh which was facing three opposing elements. It stayed that way to the end of the game, this was won on the opposite flank because of the extra two elements.
David Constable
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Post by twrnz on Sept 26, 2018 19:40:33 GMT
One local player regularly uses them in DBA and BBDBA competition lists. His Seleucid BBDBA list has three of the things and he uses them very aggressively. Two other players are known to use them outside competitions.
In all these situations they are hard to ignore and can swing from being very effective to easily countered.
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