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Post by Cromwell on Nov 2, 2018 8:48:51 GMT
I tried and experiment, with some 17th century peasants I was painting. I did not prime at all. Simply painted each area in the colour I wanted it to be. Skin flesh tint, jacket brown for example, and then built it up using two or three coats. The result was very good. However it was a little time consuming. I was only painting a set of eight figures to represent Clubmen but I would not want to try it on an entire DBA army.
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Post by paddy649 on Nov 2, 2018 23:01:56 GMT
Just tried the spray black primer and then dry brush white. Looks like promising results for light colours like yellow. Paddy
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Post by Commiades on Nov 3, 2018 4:03:58 GMT
I've used grey primer and a black wash, which is similar to black with a white drybrush. As I use a final wash for my painting, it gives a sense of how the detail will be highlighted.
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Post by twrnz on Nov 3, 2018 6:26:50 GMT
I don’t believe I’m a particularly good painter but a few years back started using a black undercoat. The end result has been pleasing to me. I find it forgiving and provides a natural shading especially for those difficult to reach parts of the figure.
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Post by Haardrada on Nov 3, 2018 11:40:59 GMT
I used to prime everything white when I first started painting, but gradually opted for a black undercoat mainly due to the time consuming "black lining" duty you had to do on mass production Napoleonic figures!I like the way it dulls the colours and is ballanced of with high-lighting to produce a finish I like.
Like some others have mentioned light colours can be problematic, white I build up in thin layers and may also add white before on light blues and red areas.For yellow areas however I found using a sandy brown or simular has the best results.
I also tend to use a darker shade of some colours like grey and crimson and progressively use a lighter shade to build layers into the detail...this worked really well for my Xyston Spartans as it really brought out the detail in the figures.I guess simular finishes could be achieved by washes but I wouldn't know where to start.lol
I'm far from the best painter in the world but I am usually happy with my finished armies.
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Post by brennus on Jan 28, 2019 22:08:23 GMT
I use both! It depends on what I'm painting, if it's a figure with a dark tone then I use black primer, but if it's got bright colours like yellow on it I use white (which saves a lot of stress!)
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Post by wingman on Jan 29, 2019 2:33:57 GMT
It's a battle to paint over black primer, IMO. I don't like doing it. Some people are big fans of it though.
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Post by davidjconstable on Jan 29, 2019 10:06:12 GMT
Purely as an aside can I talk about bases.
The last few armies I did used an earth brown colour as a starter with grass flock or sand added as appropriate.
If the grass flock gets rubbed of you have bare earth. If the sand gets rubbed of you have camel/horse/human dung.
Undercoat is a problem that I can remember when I first started painting figures, probably before a lot of people reading this were born. It depends upon your paint style, if you can dry-brush or not.
The simplest advice I can give is to try different styles on a few spare figures, one armoured and one peasant or similar, FIND YOUR OWN STYLE, and do not worry about what other people do, or try and copy. I am a bad painter, so I concentrated on how the figures looked on the table, if you could not see it, it did not get painted.
David Constable
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Post by jim1973 on Jan 29, 2019 12:30:52 GMT
For me, the improvement in washes (I use Citadel) has made me less inclined to go to black undercoat for 15mm. The washes gives more than enough shading and the range of colours means that bright troops don't need to be dulled down. There may be the odd instance (e.g. a lot of chainmail) but I would probably use a mid to dark gray and still use the Nuln Oil to shade.
Cheers
Jim
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Post by wingman on Jan 29, 2019 15:13:05 GMT
Now for chainmail, I paint the area black first and then dry brush the metal color over the black. I like the results doing it this way.
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Post by goragrad on Jan 30, 2019 11:55:39 GMT
As i noted in a similar discussion some time ago on TMP, I have gotten miniatures off ebay and elsewhere that were already primed. Some in black, some in gray, white, and a few in light brown
I prime white. In painting those other previously primed figures, I find that as noted by others, black is harder to cover and has a dulling effect on colors. Which actually does give the option of varying finished shades by varying the primer color.
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