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Post by mustrum on Aug 28, 2018 17:11:35 GMT
zenith undercoating is technically the best way to go but as a preference I use grey halfords primer.
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Post by wyvern on Aug 29, 2018 6:36:16 GMT
I have never heard of zenith undercoating before, what does that entail?
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Post by martin on Aug 29, 2018 9:39:53 GMT
I have never heard of zenith undercoating before, what does that entail? Was about to post the same question...
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Post by wyvern on Aug 29, 2018 12:28:30 GMT
White is simply superior. Check out the battle of Bagradas either in WS&S or my Great Battles of history. The troops are white primed and "stain" painted (some thirty years ago!). They were photoed under bad light and still jump out. My black primed painted troops only look good under very intense light.. something that is only available on painting tables or photo shoots. It never, ever happens in convetion or club games. I have fought this for years. White primed troops take twice as long to paint...and are more difficult as well. All my 25s from now on will be white primed. I'm not sure I can bring myself to do so with future 15s...but I should. Joe Collins You make a convincing argument Joe. That book is super! Cheers, Paul.
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Post by mustrum on Aug 29, 2018 13:57:30 GMT
undercoat black then spray a light coat of white from an angle, provides natural highlights that way.
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Post by paulisper on Aug 29, 2018 14:53:31 GMT
undercoat black then spray a light coat of white from an angle, provides natural highlights that way. So, a fancy (and probably quite tricky) way of providing what a white dry-bush does over black, anyway?? 😜 P
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Post by martin on Aug 29, 2018 15:55:10 GMT
undercoat black then spray a light coat of white from an angle, provides natural highlights that way. Can that white highlight dusting be done with standard spray cans, Oli? (ie ‘rattle-cans’)
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Post by mustrum on Aug 29, 2018 16:23:17 GMT
Its more natural looking than the drybrush due to how a drybrush tends to leave a grainy effect.
You can Martin but its not great tbh. Better with an airbrush.
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Aug 29, 2018 17:05:36 GMT
I have always used black and will continue to do so.
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Post by nangwaya on Aug 29, 2018 17:17:48 GMT
I have always used black and will continue to do so. Based on your work, I wouldn't change a thing either.
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Post by Baldie on Aug 29, 2018 20:21:06 GMT
I like black cos it hides mistakes easier and is an additional shading layer when you leave it to show through. Halfords unfortunately stopped selling matt black primer for some reason.
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Post by wyvern on Aug 30, 2018 17:24:42 GMT
undercoat black then spray a light coat of white from an angle, provides natural highlights that way. That's quite a clever idea!
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Post by mustrum on Aug 30, 2018 21:48:21 GMT
its good at high end level painting but tbh, it doesnt work too well on 15mm due to the small size, i woud always say go with whatever you feel provides the best results in your eyes as at the end of the day, if you are happy with something, that is what matters. But grey is a good combination of both black and white
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Post by wyvern on Aug 31, 2018 11:27:44 GMT
yes, I can imagine it might be a bit fiddly at 15mm but really an effective way of getting the shading right on a 28mm model.Thanks for the advice! Cheers, Paul : )
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Post by cremorn on Nov 2, 2018 5:51:55 GMT
Have done both....struggle with black undercoat, for all the reasons mentioned by others, plus it’s harder to see the details when all is black. One compromise I tried, which worked well, was - undercoat black, then drybrush white. This picks out the details for painting, AND supplies a better base for lighter colours. Martin With Martin on this one - that’s what I do in the majority of cases P +1 :-)
So the moral is, you will end up doing what works for you personally. Just get in and try all methods!
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