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Post by nangwaya on Jun 10, 2018 19:02:46 GMT
I hope I got this right.
On the defender's turn, a column of fast warband contacts a column of light horse on its flank, and also manages to get a psiloi to support the warband.
Would the light horse turn to face like this?
Thanks!
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Post by paulisper on Jun 10, 2018 19:36:58 GMT
Nope...illegal contact...
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Post by nangwaya on Jun 10, 2018 19:38:59 GMT
Thanks! I will go back and look at the diagrams again...
OK, I think I got it. I can contact one of the light horse elements' flank fully, but not both partially.
According to diagram 14b, if I contact the light horse with the warband that has the warband front edge corner contact the light horse front edge corner, then the light horse will turn to face as a group.
Got that right?
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Post by scottrussell on Jun 10, 2018 20:35:51 GMT
Correct. If you contact the front corner of the front LH they will turn as a group. If you contact the rear one, only that one will turn.
Scott
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Post by nangwaya on Jun 10, 2018 20:59:01 GMT
Thanks. And after all that, should have looked at warband a bit better. They only get rear support against non-psiloi foot, so it wasn't the best move to make  |
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Post by bob on Jun 11, 2018 22:23:32 GMT
Not too bad. Contact just the rear light horse, and you fight it at 2 v 1. Of course if you win, But not double, Lighthorse recoils, war band does not pursue but Next bound, front light horse turns around and hits the war band in the flank.
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Post by stevie on Jun 12, 2018 0:25:30 GMT
Er...just a minor point Bob...foot do not pursue mounted, unless they are Hordes (see page 12 paragraph 10). As you have quite rightly pointed out to me in the past, we wouldn’t want to give people incorrect information would we.  Some potentially useful player aids can be found here, such as the “Quick Reference Sheets” from the Society of Ancients,
and the new “Army List Corrections” file: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
And this is the latest January 2018 FAQ: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ_2018
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Post by nangwaya on Jun 12, 2018 0:38:11 GMT
Thanks bob and Stevie.
Well, it ended up that the warband was eliminated from play after that close combat, and it looked bad for the Neustrian Franks when they lost another element on that bound too, but once their spears got to contact the Serbian bow and with a good gang up on one of the Serbian knights with two Frankish knights and a warband, the Franks ended up taking the battle five elements to two.
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Post by kaybee on Jun 12, 2018 18:39:30 GMT
On the defender's turn, a column of fast warband contacts a column of light horse on its flank, and also manages to get a psiloi to support the warband.
Assuming the warband made a move straight forward for this contact. How should the contact be resolved to be legal? I realise that the bound cannot end like this, but I feel the move should not be illegal. Does the moving group slide sideways to create a legal contact? (to line up with the front corner of either of the Light Horse) Finally I would expect 1 or both of the light horse to turn to face. |
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Post by stevie on Jun 12, 2018 19:50:30 GMT
Actually Kaybee, I think it is a legal contact...it’s just that the move has not been completed yet as the conforming hasn’t been done. Page 8, paragraph 10, last sentence of the rules says:- “ (Group moves) No other changes in frontage, direction, or facing can be made, even if within a TZ, except to pivot, wheel and/or slide sideways to line up in an enemy TZ, or to conform in close combat.” When a group contacts an enemy group, the moving group must conform (page 9 paragraph 10). Only after conforming, and when the Move Phase has been completed, will the Light Horse turn to face (page 10 paragraph 1). So I say the contact is legal...but naughty Nangwaya forgot to conform before the LH turns. But you are right: page 9 paragraph 9 says that contactors conform using their tactical move speed... ...the free sideways slide is only if contacting an enemy front edge. Soooo...the Wb group must conform (rule 9.10), they must use their own movement speed to do so (rule 9.9), and a group can move sideways to conform (rule 8.10). Some potentially useful player aids can be found here, such as the “Quick Reference Sheets” from the Society of Ancients,
and the new “Army List Corrections” file: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
And this is the latest January 2018 FAQ: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ_2018
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Post by kaybee on Jun 12, 2018 20:03:39 GMT
I agree that the move is legal, but I'm not sure how the movers conform. Can they slide either way or only the shortest way?
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Post by stevie on Jun 12, 2018 20:09:42 GMT
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Post by martin on Jun 12, 2018 20:17:37 GMT
Still think it’s an initial illegal contact, as paulisper wrote earlier. Hitting flanks requires the attacking group to legally contact with front corner to front corner. There is no ‘sliding to conform’ that applies to frontal contacts.
M
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Post by stevie on Jun 12, 2018 20:34:38 GMT
But Martin, how do you interpret this rule?:- Page 8, paragraph 10, last sentence of the rules says:- “ (Group moves) No other changes in frontage, direction, or facing can be made, even if within a TZ, except to pivot, wheel and/or slide sideways to line up in an enemy TZ, or to conform in close combat.” I read it as saying you can slide a group sideways (but the slide is not free, you have to use your movement speed to pay for it), to line up in a TZ or to conform in close combat. It's an exception to the "no other changes in direction". |
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Post by greedo on Jun 13, 2018 5:58:15 GMT
I read it as saying you can slide a group sideways (but the slide is not free, you have to use your movement speed to pay for it), to line up in a TZ or to conform in close combat. It's an exception to the "no other changes in direction". I'm agreeing with Stevie on this one (I say with no 3.0 play under his belt). It seems odd that the Wb couldn't slide sideways (assuming enough movement) to contact the 2nd LH's flank. Then the rear LH would turn to face the Wb. |
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