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Post by Baldie on Dec 19, 2017 20:30:17 GMT
Well after playing for six months or so i only realised about army selection
Where it says 3 CAV or LH i thought you had a choice of either 3 CAV or 3 LH but have been looking through some armies and saw it said 3 cavalry ( must be all CAV or all LH )
So now i presume 3 CAV or LH or LCH means i could have 1 CAV 1 LH and 1 LCH or any combination of the three
Just dint realise
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Post by Michael Demko on Dec 19, 2017 20:40:35 GMT
Thanks for posting, I've been wondering about this for a long time. It hasn't mattered much because I usually prefer all of one element type.
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Dec 19, 2017 21:25:10 GMT
...and just think the army lists are the clearest written part of the rules.  On the bright side, look at all the options you now have with all of those lists that you thought had to be all of one type.  |
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Post by jim1973 on Dec 19, 2017 21:27:54 GMT
Sometimes it feels like you need an Enigma machine to decode the lists! Take Thracian peltasts: 6 x peltasts (Ps or 3/4 Ax). You can have any combination of Ps and Ax but all the Ax must be either 3 or 4 (fast or solid). Sounds like a good challenge to the readers. What's the most complex list to decipher?
Jim
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Post by bob on Dec 20, 2017 1:24:12 GMT
TROOP DEFINITIONS AND TERMINOLOGY
Each troop entry has the number of elements of that sort that can be used, the name, and the type code as defined on page 5.
“or” between 2 codes or prefix numbers directs that any mixture of those elements can be used.
“/” between 2 codes or prefix numbers directs that either can be used by all (not some of) those elements. If between a mounted and a foot type it directs that all, (not some of) the mounted type can be replaced by the foot type before deployment.
“//” between 2 codes means that an element deployed as mounted can be exchanged for the dismounted element during the game, but cannot then change back.
“and” or “+” between 2 entries directs that both must be used.
Psiloi and foot that are listed as 3, 5 or 6 to a base are classed as “Fast” foot, others as “Solid” foot.
Seems clear to me. What problems have people found.
This is a complex list,
II/36a Graeco-Bactrian Army: 1 x General (3Kn), 1 x Arachosians (LH), 1 x Saka horse archers (LH), [1 x Iranian lancers (3Kn), 1 x Iranian lancers (3Kn) or cataphracts (4Kn), 1 x Indian elephants (El), 4 x phalangites (4Pk), 1 x military settlers (3/4Ax), 1 x Cretan or Indian archers (Ps)] or [4 x Iranian lancers (3Kn), 4 x Bactrians (Cv/LH), 1 x Arachosians (LH)] .
another one with brackets
II/79a Northern Dynasty Army: 1 x General (3Kn or 4Kn), 2 x barded cavalry (3Kn or 4Kn), 1 x horse archers (LH), [1 x dare- to-die swordsmen (3/4Bd) or un-barded cavalry (Cv) + 1 x archers (3Bw) or tribal foot (3Ax) + 3 x militia (Sp or 7Hd) + 2 x militia archers (3Bw) + 1 x militia crossbowmen (3Cb) or archers (Ps)] or [2 x barded horsemen (3Kn or 4Kn) + 2 x un-barded cavalry (Cv) + 4 x horse archers (LH)].
Here is an army that needs a minimum of 13 elements if taking the bracket option. Has anyone used this and surprised an opponent. I would work once.
III/18 Breton Army: 1 x General (Cv), 5 x cavalry (Cv), 3 x cavalry (Cv or LH), 1 x skirmishers (LH or Ps), 2 x cavalry (Cv) or
2 x peasants (7Hd) or [1 x peasants (7Hd) + 1 x disguised Saxons (depict and move as Breton 7Hd, but replace with 4Wb on contact)].
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Post by Baldie on Dec 20, 2017 7:09:13 GMT
Main problem i have Bob is not reading the rules correctly
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Post by bluestone28 on Dec 20, 2017 10:30:45 GMT
Main problem i have Bob is not reading the rules correctly you mean : Main problem i have, Bob, is, i'm not reading the rules correctly and not : Main problem i have, Bob is not reading the rules correctly!  comma , are sometimes useful to mean exactly what we want (it's one of the problem in DBA rules, maybe too much comma!!! ) |
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Post by medievalthomas on Dec 20, 2017 16:52:13 GMT
In our defense (OK defence in UK), the list are clearer than in prior editions. Still it does take a bit of code breaking to understand what you can take and in what fashion. Bob has provided a convient summary of the code breaking tool.
TomT
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Post by Baldie on Dec 20, 2017 18:48:22 GMT
Main problem i have Bob is not reading the rules correctly you mean : Main problem i have, Bob, is, i'm not reading the rules correctly and not : Main problem i have, Bob is not reading the rules correctly! comma , are sometimes useful to mean exactly what we want (it's one of the problem in DBA rules, maybe too much comma!!! ) Loving your work. Took two reads to realise what it meant. Comprehensive educated |
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Post by primuspilus on Dec 20, 2017 19:13:26 GMT
Technically, not a comma in the second one, but a colon or dash, no?
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Post by Baldie on Dec 20, 2017 19:30:59 GMT
I really love this forum
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Post by ammianus on Dec 20, 2017 19:46:06 GMT
Except for all this talk about colons.
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Post by paddy649 on Dec 20, 2017 20:11:24 GMT
Of all the Chinese lists I do rather like the look of that II/79a Northern Dynasty Army List. Looks rather powerful on paper. Can anyone testify as to how it plays.
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Post by lkmjbc on Dec 20, 2017 22:21:03 GMT
Main problem i have Bob is not reading the rules correctly you mean : Main problem i have, Bob, is, i'm not reading the rules correctly and not : Main problem i have, Bob is not reading the rules correctly! comma , are sometimes useful to mean exactly what we want (it's one of the problem in DBA rules, maybe too much comma!!! ) He really means : "Main problem I have is Bob not reading the rules correctly" Oosh... Joe exists stage right! |
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Post by crazycaptain560 on Dec 21, 2017 21:34:34 GMT
Well, news to me!
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