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Post by jim1973 on Sept 6, 2017 14:49:15 GMT
I too think the woad looks good so some of them will be painted up. The beauty of ancients is that the lack of information lets the imagination run free. No worrying about what colour piping is used on what jacket, etc.
Jim
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deon
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Post by deon on Sept 25, 2017 8:54:56 GMT
I think the early italian armies in the north were celtic in origin, so along with the Northern barbarians you have half a dozen others although they might look a little more exotic. Excellent idea, thank you. Could you point me to what armies you are thinking of? Oscans, Bruttians etc? So , looking at northern Italy, there's an area occupied around 900 BCE to 500 BCE by the Golasseca ( this is an archaeological material culture rather than a tribe as such) This was the home of the Ligurian, Raetic and Lepontic tribes / peoples / cultures. The Lepontic peoples seemed to be absorbed by the Raeti around the time of the Etruscan expansion during the 6th century BCE. East of the Golasseca was Estes where the Venetians emerged after Celtic migration and settlement. South of Golasseca and Estes is Etrusca. It might be arguable to what extent the top half of Italy is a Celtic stop over with areas of Greek / Phoenecian influence and migration. I would suggest the traditional Early Italians up until 400 BCE, north of Etrusca and Umbria are largely Celtic in origin. The origin of the Etruscans is up for discussion. By 200 BCE ish the Romans occupied the Raetic region separating Liguria and Veneti. So, Ligurians, Raetii and possibly Veneti ( these might be more Illyrian in culture). The Veneti were influenced or even descended from the Illyrians tribes who were infiltrated, replaced, removed or absorbed by Celtic tribes - the Boii and the Volce (I think), by around 200 BCE. Having said all this the definition of Celtic is broad and fuzzy. I would class the Villanovans as Celtic ('Celtic' being a broad cultural representation of one of several waves of Indo -European migration and the I would hedge my bets on the Etruscans that followed due to linguistic differences. It is likely that most North and central italian tribes had a mixture of Celtic , Balkan influences, - the Latins, Samnites, Picentes, Umbrian all have Celtic (as a distinct Indo -European sub group) and Indo -European linguistic and / or cultural affinities. The Oscans and Bruttians also have minor Celtic aspects to their language but I would not feel secure in suggesting they were Celtic. So for DBA- i would use Villanovans, Early Northern Barbarians up until the end of their lists. ENBs become Gauls after that. Use Ligurians (also for raeti until 200 BCE ish and lepontii until 500 BCE ish ) until whenever the Romans got round to sorting that bit (Liguria) out (I don't bother too much with Romans- a bit modern for me) and use Veneti after 200BCE ish ( when the Boii moved in) and before that if you feel like it! Hope that helps more than it confuses.
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Post by felixs on Sept 25, 2017 12:15:29 GMT
Thank you, Deon.
That is very impressive.
According to what pictures one can find on the web and what manufacturers recommend, Ligurians could indeed be depicted by "standard" Celts.
My celtic figures are probably a bit too savage looking (that is also a problem with using them for Dacians), being mostly at least half naked.
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Post by Antoine on Sept 30, 2017 21:23:54 GMT
If you wanna play savage Calts, well, you can go for II/11 Gauls or II/53 Ancient British. Both armies are able to field a lot of fast infantry (3Wb) and mounted troops (Cv, Lch or LH). Manœuvrable and fun
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Post by felixs on Oct 1, 2017 14:48:41 GMT
If you wanna play savage Calts, well, you can go for II/11 Gauls or II/53 Ancient British. Both armies are able to field a lot of fast infantry (3Wb) and mounted troops (Cv, Lch or LH). Manœuvrable and fun The plan is to build enough elements to play them all. However, you have to choose whether you want more savage looking Celts, or the less spectacular variety. I go with a middle-of-the-road-approach, tending towards the more dramatic type of Celt. Will still use them for later Galatians too.
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