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Post by paulhannah on Apr 20, 2017 17:12:33 GMT
I vaguely recall that someone had painstakingly complied and posted an index of DBA-3 armies by element type. I thought I saved that list, but can't find it now. Does anyone else recall such an index? If so, can you point me in the right direction?
For example, it listed all the armies that contained one or more Mtd-Inf elements, which happens to be what's driving my quest.
Thanks.
//Paul in Seattle
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Post by bob on Apr 28, 2017 4:01:45 GMT
There are no armies with generic Mtd-Inf. There are either Mtd-3Bw or Mtd-4Bw or Mtd-4Cb or Mtd-4Lb. Which did you want to know about? I did a search once and found
17 armies with Mtd-
6 as 3Bw including 1 on carts and 3 on camels
1 as 4Cb
9 as 4Lb
1 as 4Bw
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Post by paulhannah on Apr 28, 2017 21:47:09 GMT
There are no armies with generic Mtd-Inf. There are either Mtd-3Bw or Mtd-4Bw or Mtd-4Cb or Mtd-4Lb. Yes, I understand that, Bob. I was simply referring to Mtd-Inf collectively. |
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Post by bob on Apr 29, 2017 13:29:55 GMT
I/42 Neo-Elamite Army: 1
1 x General in 4-horse 3-crew chariot (HCh) or as kallapani (Mtd-3Bw),
2 x kallapani (Mtd-3Bw),
III/11b Other Turkish Armies: 2
1 x archers on Bactrian (2-hump) camels (Mtd-3Bw) or foot archers (3Bw or Ps) or horse archers (LH),
IV/3 Anglo-Norman Army: 3
1 x mercenaries (3Kn) or mounted archers (Mtd-3Bw) or Welshry (3Ax) or South Welsh (3Lb).
IV/5b Sicilian Army 1194-1266 AD: 4
1 x Saracen mounted archers (Mtd-4Bw) or Berbers (LH) or Germans (4Kn),
IV/16 Scots Common Army: 5
1 x feudal archers (3Bw or Mtd-3Bw) or French (3Kn) or hobilars (Cv) or Islesmen (4Bd) or yeomen (4Pk),
IV/21b Anglo-Irish Army 1300-1403 AD: 6
1 x Galloglaich (4Bd) or mounted longbowmen (Mtd-4Lb or 4Lb),
IV/24a Khwarizmian state Army 1186-1231 AD: 7
1 x archers on camels (Mtd-3Bw),
IV/24b Khwarizmian refugee Army 1232-1246 AD: 8
1 x archers with camels (Mtd-3Bw) or Kurds (3Kn),
IV/43b Hungarian Army for the Crusade of Nicopolis 1396 AD: 9
1 x crusader crossbows (Mtd-4Cb/4Cb),
IV/62a English Army 1322-1333 AD: 17
1 x hobilars (Cv) or mounted archers (Mtd-4Lb),
IV/62b English Army 1334-1414 AD: 10
1 x archers (4Lb/Mtd-4Lb),
IV/62d English Army 1423-1455 AD: 11
1 x archers (4Lb/Mtd-4Lb) or bombards (Art).
IV/74 Free Company or Armagnac Armies: 12
2 x French brigans (3Bd) or English archers (Mtd-4Lb),
IV/82a French Ordonnance Army 1445-1480 AD: 13
1 x General with gendarmes (3Kn) or Scots archer guard (Mtd-4Lb/4Lb),
1 x gendarmes (3Kn) or ordonnance archers (Mtd-4Lb),
IV/82b French Ordonnance Army 1481-1515 AD: 14
1 x ordonnance archers (Cv or Mtd-4Lb),
IV/85a Burgundian Ordonnance Army 1471-1477 AD: 15
3 x archers (Mtd-4Lb/4Lb),
IV/85b Burgundian Ordonnance Army 1478-1506 AD: 16
1 x archers (Mtd-4Lb or 4Lb),
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Post by paulhannah on Apr 29, 2017 16:36:27 GMT
Wow-- That's an awesome compilation. Thank you ever so much, Bob.
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Post by paulhannah on Jul 14, 2018 19:30:43 GMT
III/11b Central Asian Turkish / Other Turkish Armies: 1 x archers on Bactrian (2-hump) camels (Mtd-3Bw).
I just started prepping figures for this army. It occurred to me that this particular Mtd-3Bw element would not suffer any movement penalty in Dunes or Oases, as they are not Bad Going "to any type with camels".(Pg.6) But, as my friend, Eric Donaldson, pointed out, this is probably moot, as the CAT army's topography is Steppe, which contains neither Dunes nor Oases. Darn!
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Post by timurilank on Jul 14, 2018 20:09:28 GMT
III/11b Central Asian Turkish / Other Turkish Armies: 1 x archers on Bactrian (2-hump) camels ( Mtd-3Bw). I just started prepping figures for this army. It occurred to me that this particular Mtd-3Bw element would not suffer any movement penalty in Dunes or Oases, as they are not Bad Going "to any type with camels".(Pg.6) But, as my friend, Eric Donaldson, pointed out, this is probably moot, as the CAT army's topography is Steppe, which contains neither Dunes nor Oases. Darn! Paul,
The Bactrian mounted archers will prove useful when fighting the ‘dry’ climate armies of the Umayyad, Khorasanian and Ghaznavid.
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Post by stevie on Jul 14, 2018 20:14:16 GMT
All is not lost Paul...page 9 paragraph 2 says : “(Movement is) 3 BW if Knights, Elephants, Camelry or any mounted infantry and only in good going, or if “Fast” foot in any going.” Mtd-3Bw are fast foot, soooo... (No extra moves for camel mounted Mtd-3Bw unless in terrain they class as good going, but Mtd-3Bw still gets to move at full speed through any rough or bad going...probably because they have dismounted and are leading their mounts on foot)Some potentially useful player aids can be found here, such as the “Quick Reference Sheets” from the Society of Ancients,
and the new “Army List Corrections” file: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
And this is the latest January 2018 FAQ: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ_2018
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Post by stevie on Jul 14, 2018 21:31:25 GMT
...and another thing: once all the camel Mtd-3Bw have passed through and cleared any rough or bad going, so they are now entirely in good going, then they would be eligible for making extra moves in the same bound (providing they have the PIP's, and don't start or go within 1 base width of the enemy...see page 9 paragraph 3). (By the way, I'm looking into Kose Dag...leave it with me.  )Some potentially useful player aids can be found here, such as the “Quick Reference Sheets” from the Society of Ancients,
and the new “Army List Corrections” file: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
And this is the latest January 2018 FAQ: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ_2018
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Post by paulhannah on Feb 26, 2021 22:19:27 GMT
Who here has a list of those armies which can have one (and only one) Pike element? For example, IV/23 Feudal English, which can optionally have a single element of Fast Pikes. Gotta be a really short list.
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Post by Haardrada on Feb 27, 2021 0:42:06 GMT
The Ghaznavids and Timurids are two of them Paul.
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Post by timurilank on Feb 27, 2021 7:11:47 GMT
Add the War of the Roses or Tudor English (IV/83a) to that short list.
1 x Welsh (3Pk).
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Post by stevie on Feb 27, 2021 14:17:32 GMT
Probably not quite what you’re looking for Paul, but if the II/18f Queen Olympias
Successor Army decides to forgo the Litter as the general’s element, they’ll end up
with an odd number of pikes (7 of ‘em, with one lacking its traditional rear-support).
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Post by paulhannah on Mar 4, 2021 4:24:19 GMT
My crack staff found another list with one (and only one) Pike element: Southern Sung Chinese. Here then, I think, is the complete list: - III/62b Southern Sung Chinese
- III/64b Ghaznavid
- IV/23 Feudal English
- IV/75 Timurid
- IV/83a WOR Tudor
Collect the whole set! |
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Post by goragrad on Mar 5, 2021 0:13:06 GMT
IV/42 Islamic Persian with one optional Afghan spearman.
IV/62'b' HYW English with an optional Welsh 'knifeman.'
II/57 Koryo with an optional element of guerillas.
And potentially the IV/4 Feudal French if the player opts for the spear rather than the Low Country pike while taking the Frisians.
Book I and II not checked.
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