Post by skepticalmutt on Mar 13, 2017 23:28:08 GMT
A friend of mine picked up III/55 Early Samurai, and I wanted to get a historical oppenent to game with him. After looking through the ones listed, I think III/62a look the most interesting, but I can't seem to find suitable miniatures in 15mm. Any suggestions from you folks would be greatly appreciated.
The best range of figures for the Sung at Present is Khurusan Miniatures - khurasanminiatures.tripod.com/ - just be aware, he is a small operation and can shut down for a period while filling orders, during this time he doesn't take any new orders.
The Sung Range is spectacular but it doesn't currently include any archers for the 3Bw Provincial Infantry - you could probably use some unarmoured Tang figures from the same range at a pinch.
If you can get hold of the old Kennington Miniatures Yuan range their Chinese Crossbows, Cavalry and Axemen are also excellent for the Sung but alas I don't think they are made anymore, and whilst good, they are not as good as the Khurusan.
Avoid the Essex, Irregular and Hall of Ancient Warriors Sung as these are based on the old John Greer WRG book "Armies and Enemies of Ancient China" - the figures would pass as Ming or as Yuan Mongol Civilians but otherwise don't look much like the soldiers they are meant to be. I am holding out the hope that Essex will redesign their Sung the way they have their Tang.
Currently I have a Southern Sung mostly made up from Kennington minis and am also building up a Northern Sung with the same mix. When both of these are done - the operation to bring my 2.2 Sung up to 3.0 compliance then I will hit the Khurusan figures and build new armies.
Sung are my very favourite DBA army and I wept tears of blood at the Nerfing that the DBA3 lists performed on them - but I persevered and took the Southern Sung to Cancon last January - I won 4 games from 6 with them and had taken 3 elements with me in my two losses. The trick is to set up a valley of death that the enemy has to walk into - the trick is, can you make most of the 4 kills by shooting before they get into contact.
Because it has my troops all over it. THAT makes it MINE!!!!
As Martin and Colin have noted, the Naismith Sung are indeed based on the old WRG Greer book. My Sung Chinese are all Naismith. My renovation of the army to the "Purple" lists is in-progress. Here's a picture of two of the (un-flocked) 8Cb Imperial Infantry elements.
Note the rank of bowmen placed behind the crossbowmen, as mentioned in the Commentary.
Sure, the Greer book has its flaws, but it was (we thought) the best such source in its day. So, I think I get to invoke a grandfather clause here. (Grins.) There are still readily available (link). In fact, I bought a few packs just recently so I can complete my renovation. Nicely sculpted figures, and cleanly cast.
My biggest quibble with the Naismith range is that the horses are quite large, more akin to modern thoroughbreds. I mounted my cavalry on smaller, Mikes Models steeds.
But, sure, were I to start anew, I would surely buy those spectacular Khurasan Sung. And, hey, now there the V-3 lists offer TWO Sung Chinese armies (Northern and Southern), maybe someday I will buy them too!
Last Edit: Mar 14, 2017 20:23:00 GMT by paulhannah
Post by skepticalmutt on Apr 19, 2017 22:08:40 GMT
Yea, I settled on the Khurasan. The others look just fine but those Khurasan look like incredibly clean and well detailed sculpts, definitely ones I would enjoy painting and gaming with. I'm just slowly setting cash aside to afford the $130 ish peicetag.