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Post by wjhupp on Feb 24, 2017 18:12:21 GMT
I am working on some Holy Land terrain boards for DBA 15mm the Chariot Wars Tournament at Adepticon (but they should also be useful for Crusader games, etc.). I have never been there, so I need to use photos. I found this helpful site with photos of walking tours of Bible Lands. www.biblewalks.com/Index.htmlI am curious at to what others have used as a base ‘dirt’ color. Thanks. Bill |
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Post by timurilank on Feb 24, 2017 19:41:47 GMT
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Post by davidconstable on Mar 18, 2017 7:59:49 GMT
Some years ago I saw some 2000+ samples of sand from the Middle East.
The colour varies from area to area, and even from one end of a Valley to the other.
Passing across the Negev going towards Suez in 1970, we passed up a valley, it started with a very dark sand, almost a light soil colour, it ended with the sand being a light pink, almost a tinted white. Going on to Oman from there produced different colours again.
David Constable
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Post by davidconstable on Apr 30, 2017 8:44:57 GMT
A follow up to this query.
In my tin case for carrying my armies around are two armies, rules etc. Also carefully packed is a set of ten? tubes of earth/sand from some actual ancient battlefields in the Middle East, Raphia, Magnesia (190BC) and Manzikert Plain amongst them, this was given to my niece for safe keeping, it has unfortunately gone missing, hopefully it will turn up. When/if it does I will post as accurate a colour picture as I can obtain for people to see.
Purely as an aside, my original dark coloured DBA bases where based on a colour that very roughly represented an average of the samples, so if you can find any of those, probably on the Yahoo group taken by Martin Smith, you will see what I used.
David Constable
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Post by Antigonos on Apr 30, 2017 8:53:40 GMT
Google earth or Bing maps will give you a good idea.
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Post by davidconstable on Apr 30, 2017 15:29:29 GMT
Google earth or Bing maps will give you a good idea. Yes, providing the colour reproduction is OK. It is interesting sometimes watching the colour change if you are following a railway or road route in the UK on Google Earth.
Also photo colour can be unreliable depending upon age, the real thing does not usually change, unless it gets wet.
David Constable
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Post by Antigonos on May 1, 2017 9:26:32 GMT
I merely suggest it as a place to go for a general idea, not as definitive. If you really want to know what a place looked like 2000 years ago, ask the geologists and archaeologists.
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Post by davidconstable on May 2, 2017 7:00:06 GMT
Agree, which is why I said yes.
Manzikert Plain is in places very different, and ground levels alter, as does agriculture, let alone the position of a battlefield.
When I was at Magnesia, the dry river clearly showed the effects of farming, there was a layer about 150mm on average deep of improved soil (for want of a better word) over the original ground type, and you could tell that by slingshots and arrow heads embedded in the bank.
I took my samples as best I could, but I would not be certain they are 100% correct.
The history of the houses I live in has been re-written, 14 no longer being mediaeval in origin, circa 1750AD at oldest and possibly as late as 1875? however 12 is back a couple of centuries, 13th at least.
Terrain, uniform colour, all tend to be subjective, my 1968 issued camouflage jacket is well faded due to sun and washing, and the pips added in 1975 are actually WW2 issue type (just to confuse things).
David Constable
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