Post by Haardrada on May 29, 2017 20:22:50 GMT
But remember that the primary focus is to have Rameses II’s army of I/22a New Kingdom Egyptians (1543-1200 BC) and the I/28 Sea Peoples (1208-1176 BC) as mutual enemies to allow for this conflict. The date change is only secondary, and is merely for the sake of consistency.
Also note that, so far, it is the only date change edit proposed.
(I should point out however that we have yet to get the approval of Timurilank…nothing in these edits, not a dot nor comma, is to be included unless the decision is unanimous. After all, I don’t want to take all the blame if it turns out to be wrong! )
But I will be the first to admit that I am no fountain of knowledge.
It was Haardrada (bless him) that first spotted this potential error.
Without his input I would have remained blissfully ignorant as my understanding of ancient Egypt is severely limited.
So if anyone does have any suggestions, comments, criticisms, or observations they think should be considered, then please do post them.
I believe this topic will remain something of a ‘biblical plague’ until we find some plausible answers.
Firstly, I found this unlikely that the issue of the early Sherden appearance (Ramesses II) had not been handled earlier in Slingshot.
I read that Simon has provided Fanaticus with initial findings; hopefully more will appear in the future.
As part of the seafaring confederation known as the Sea Peoples, there must be evidence of a home that functioned as a base of operations as I found it unlikely the Sherden sailed from Sardinia to confront Ramesses II.
Pottery remains or similar architectural styles found in the eastern Mediterranean would help substantiate this but I could find nothing.
Rassu is useful if readers wish to see such evidence found in Sardinia and Italy.
(Shardana e Filistei in Italia: Nouve architecture in Sardegna alle fine dell'età del bronzo finale, (XII-XI. secolo a. C.) by Massimo Rassu)
The fact for Sherden troops being employed as the Royal bodyguard for Ramesses II comes from the ‘Poem of Kadesh’ and this is contested by Mohamed Raafat Abbas, Minister of antiquities (Egypt); the term ‘bodyguard’ actually describes ‘retainers’.
The Royal bodyguard consisted of both Egyptian and Sherden troops.
How the Sherden came to be employed in Pharaoh’s army is suggested by the common practice of enlisting captives as was done with the Nubian and Libyan before.
I am not overly convinced that this was the case for the Sherden as the battle in year two of Ramesses II refers (my readings) to the Sea People.
It is not impossible for the Sherden to have sought employment during the reign of Ramesses II as did the Germans and Vikings did during the Nikephorian to Komnenian Byzantine period.
But correct me if I am wrong, I seem to recall J.H. Breasted “Ancient Records” work used as a reference for the ‘Armies of the Ancient Near East’ by Stillman and Tallis.
In ‘Ancient Records of Egypt’, volume 3 which covers the 19th Dynasty you will find a full account in the Great Karnak Inscription of the victory over the Libyans.
In the title of the document we read:
“Beginning of the victory which his majesty achieved in the land of Libya – Erwesh, Teresh, Luka, Sherden, Shekelesh, Northerners coming from all lands. “
For a document of its kind it does detail the campaign and victory attributed to Merneptah, son of Ramesses II, which places the confrontation of the Sea Peoples and the Sherden in the I/22a New Kingdom Egyptian list of enemies.
I would suggest this is a better reference to add of I/28 Sea Peoples to the I/22a New Kingdom Egyptian list of enemies with a footnote to the references.
J.H. Breasted, Volume III, Article 569, p.238, can be found on Google books. Unfortunately, large parts of the text are missing and must be restored.
The Bodyguard of Ramesses II and the Battle of Kadesh, by Mohamed Raafat Abbas.
It can be considered a problem as to the origins of the Sherden and other sea peoples as much is still speculation.As I mentioned Sherden appear in the Amarna letters (1350BC-1320BC) in Caanan.Lukka (Lycians?) and Danuna (Danaoi-Greeks?)are also mentioned too.So these guys were certainly moving around even before Ramses II.Also the theory that the Peleset became the Philistines still has not been established,nor the theory that the Sherden settled in Sardinia or that they were originally a Nuragic culture.
On the subject of J H Breasted I am suprised another entry in one of his other works A History of the Ancient Egyptians (1908)has been missed?...The Hittites employing Lycian pirates as mercenaries and The Egyptians likewise employing Sherden amongst their mercenaries for the Battle of Kadesh (pages 303-304)...Then later employing the Sherden as a recognized contingent.