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Post by twrnz on Feb 6, 2017 4:20:06 GMT
Every so often I encounter war wagons, yet despite their modelling appeal I don't have an army that contains them.
What do you feel are their strengths and weaknesses? How do you use them on the table? Are they used offensively or defensively, grouped or individually?
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Post by Cromwell on Feb 6, 2017 8:24:35 GMT
Every so often I encounter war wagons, yet despite their modelling appeal I don't have an army that contains them. What do you feel are their strengths and weaknesses? How do you use them on the table? Are they used offensively or defensively, grouped or individually? Interesting questions. Like you I have never fielded an army that uses them. I am however thinking of raising a Hussite army which I believe fields them |
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Post by timurilank on Feb 6, 2017 8:44:41 GMT
Every so often I encounter war wagons, yet despite their modelling appeal I don't have an army that contains them. What do you feel are their strengths and weaknesses? How do you use them on the table? Are they used offensively or defensively, grouped or individually? I have six war wagons but do not plan collecting an army. These serve my peasants (7Hd) during their infrequent rebellions and perform a purely ‘defensive’ role. Protecting the flanks.
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Post by medievalthomas on Feb 14, 2017 17:12:06 GMT
My wife used them in her German Imperial Army. Teamed with Crossbow they made and effective flank guard. Vunerable to Blade (but what isn't?). Easier to use on 60x60 bases (rather then double sized).
TomT
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Post by vodnik on Feb 15, 2017 8:52:02 GMT
…using version 2.2 with a large base it was hard to beat my Hussites. But a lucky blow by artillery could destroy them. But even now on a quadratic base it is like a fortification. I prefer armies allowing 2 of them. So i need no camp:  ...or on small bases:  ...fortifications like this are best against cavalry or knights. Infantry armies are a bit dangerous... |
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Post by twrnz on Feb 16, 2017 21:37:06 GMT
Only a few responses which perhaps indicates that War Wagons are not often used. Though they can certainly look impressive when they are. Below, a photo from Conquest 2016 competition showing Mark BB's well painted 15mm Hussite army.  |
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Post by wjhupp on Feb 17, 2017 13:48:48 GMT
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Post by timurilank on Feb 17, 2017 14:55:05 GMT
Bill,
True, they do not have many enemies, but can fight among themselves which could make for an interesting game  .
One item not mentioned in the above posts is the TZ which extend from the 'front of any edge' of a war wagon. The above photo illustrates the effective placement of WW in echelon giving an opponent no option but to assault a WW head on.
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Post by montyburns on Feb 17, 2017 19:59:50 GMT
An interesting change from 2.2 to 3 is that an army now needs to have more than 2 War Wagons instead of more than 1 to avoid having to bring a camp. From what I can find this means that the only 3 armies that do not have to bring a compulsory camp are
IV/80 the Hussites,
IV43c Hungarians with IV/66 Later Polish allies or
IV/66 Later Polish with IV43c Hungarians allies.
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Post by Haardrada on Feb 18, 2017 10:36:41 GMT
Every so often I encounter war wagons, yet despite their modelling appeal I don't have an army that contains them. What do you feel are their strengths and weaknesses? How do you use them on the table? Are they used offensively or defensively, grouped or individually? Hi twrnz maybe I can answer some of these questions., I took an interest in how to fight one of these armies as one of our group members had shown an interest in a Hussite army and so I bought extra Bd to complete version (a) of my Late Swiss army, which should be able to coup with the Hussites should they ever reach the table.lol. What I did do was assess the Hussites fighting abilities and came to these conclusions: Firstly, the armies reliance on Wwg gives it the advantage of massed shooting elements that are also difficult to destroy and don't recoil.A Hussite player can deploy as Timurilank explained to force a player to attack frontally or divide his Wwg on each flank to secure them. Secondly, the supporting troops are 4Bd,Lh,Kn and Art.The Bd are good support troops that can be "shot in" by the Wwg or used to support them and are the best thing this army has for fighting in Bad going. The army has the choice of up to 2 Kn which can be used aggressively or kept in reserve to counter and the Lh can threaten flanks. The Art.I would consider to be best placed with the Wwg to add distance to shooting and gain support factors if they also are in range. I also concluded that the army is best used defensively to maximize its shooting elements and to counter with the Kn and/or Bd or to be aggresive over a short frontage as the extra pip to move Wwg could stall any attacks, especially if they are divided into more than one group.The army won't advance quickly anyway if it wants to shoot as can't advance more than 1Bw and shoot plus the Art. has to be stationary. I may have missed a few points that other gamers may point out, but I hope I've given an insight into how I see this army works.😊 Regards Eddie |
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Post by johnw on Aug 16, 2017 19:59:43 GMT
Anyone have feedback on 40x40 basing vs 40x80 ?
In the lead pile I have some Wwg that will be difficult to fit on a 40x40 ......
Thanks
John
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Post by timurilank on Aug 16, 2017 21:34:15 GMT
Anyone have feedback on 40x40 basing vs 40x80 ? In the lead pile I have some Wwg that will be difficult to fit on a 40x40 ...... Thanks John I prefer the 40 mm square base for the WWg. Horse teams are based separately and these can be used with other transport. Warping is no longer a problem with the 1.5mm thick triplex I use for bases. WWg are from Museum and Essex. |
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Post by jdesmond on Aug 17, 2017 6:46:54 GMT
Salutations, gentlefolk !
Back in ye '90's I occasionally fielded a Cyropaedic Persian army under the 1.x rules - war wagon, 3 scythed chariots, camel cav...
You _really_ needed to be fighting on exterior lines - the 'outside of the curve' - if the extra-deep base elements had to retreat, 'twould be getting in each others' way immediately.
(This is, of course, utterly irrelevant to DBA 3. Apologies for wasting your electrons... Up past bedtime...)
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Post by sheffmark on Aug 21, 2017 13:32:32 GMT
Anyone have feedback on 40x40 basing vs 40x80 ? In the lead pile I have some Wwg that will be difficult to fit on a 40x40 ...... Thanks John I prefer the 40 mm square base for the WWg. Horse teams are based separately and these can be used with other transport. Warping is no longer a problem with the 1.5mm thick triplex I use for bases. WWg are from Museum and Essex. From a modeling point of view that may be true, but on the other hand isn't a 40mm by 80mm base is much better at guarding long flanks if advancing in echelon, as per the picture?
I think with the Hussite you can have either the 2nd Kn or the Art. 2Kn's are good at covering gaps and threatening infantry who seem to pose the major threat to the war wagons, but if your opponent has an Elephant then it would have to be the Art every time?
I'd probably describe them as a 'fun' army, (depending on your definition of 'fun'!)
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Post by timurilank on Aug 21, 2017 18:10:36 GMT
I prefer the 40 mm square base for the WWg. Horse teams are based separately and these can be used with other transport. Warping is no longer a problem with the 1.5mm thick triplex I use for bases. WWg are from Museum and Essex. From a modeling point of view that may be true, but on the other hand isn't a 40mm by 80mm base is much better at guarding long flanks if advancing in echelon, as per the picture?
I think with the Hussite you can have either the 2nd Kn or the Art. 2Kn's are good at covering gaps and threatening infantry who seem to pose the major threat to the war wagons, but if your opponent has an Elephant then it would have to be the Art every time?
I'd probably describe them as a 'fun' army, (depending on your definition of 'fun'!)
Sheffmark,
You present valid comments and I would add the choice of base size depends on a player’s game style.
Firstly, I do have a preference for historical matches which would place the likelihood of an elephant wandering about the Bohemian countryside, well, impossible. Although a gypsy circus troupe would make an interesting ‘BUA-hamlet’; complete with tents, animal pens, and performers.
Secondly, although WWg may not contact enemy, they can lay TZ down and impede enemy troop movement. And yes, these would make up a fun army.
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