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Post by Cromwell on Nov 1, 2024 15:40:43 GMT
The army list for the Anglo-Danish states 4 x Select Fyrd (Sp), 4 x Great Fyrd (Sp/7Hd).
I can understand the select Fyrd being spear, but I am a little confused by the two options for the great fyrd. If I select spear then there is no difference between great Fyrd and select Fyrd, although I understood the select Fyrd to be better trained. My inclination is to go for the Horde option for the great Fyrd but this seems to make them a little two fragile at times especially if they pursue and become isolated. Although this does appear to have happened at Hastings.
I am interested in which option others may go with and their reasoning.
I cannot seem the logic of having great Fyrd the same as Select Fyrd, or perhaps to show a difference use a house rule that great Fyrd spear option elements do not get the Flank support.
Interested in what others think.
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Post by skb777 on Nov 1, 2024 16:10:33 GMT
It is my understanding they were all armed the same - apart from the Huscarls - as DBA doesn't have any grading Sp(O) for the Select Fyrd and Sp(I) for the Great Fyrd I guess you either class them as Hd or feel under no obligation to attempt to be wholly historical givn that the list aren't (a great many aren't in DBA) and go with Sp.
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Post by Cromwell on Nov 1, 2024 17:03:38 GMT
That was my thinking. 🤔 As well
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Post by skb777 on Nov 1, 2024 18:08:20 GMT
I went to Battle (as in Hastings) the day before as it happens.
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Post by Cromwell on Nov 2, 2024 8:59:07 GMT
Last night I re fought Hastings using DBA 3.0. I had the Great Fyrd as 7 horde.
The only change to DBA I made was to change the 4 element victory condition to 6. This was because early on the Normans had lost 3 foot elements before the knights and Breton Cavalry even closed.
Following the rule adjustment a great game ensued with with Harold and both brothers who were represented but the Huscarl elements remaining alive and the Saxons gaining a 6-4 Victory.
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Post by Haardrada on Nov 2, 2024 10:25:10 GMT
Last night I re fought Hastings using DBA 3.0. I had the Great Fyrd as 7 horde. The only change to DBA I made was to change the 4 element victory condition to 6. This was because early on the Normans had lost 3 foot elements before the knights and Breton Cavalry even closed. Following the rule adjustment a great game ensued with with Harold and both brothers who were represented but the Huscarl elements remaining alive and the Saxons gaining a 6-4 Victory. Boo!Hiss!😊 |
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Post by Baldie on Nov 2, 2024 15:26:28 GMT
Huzzah, one evil invader killed by, well another evil Invader.
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Post by claudermilk on Nov 2, 2024 16:05:18 GMT
I went to Battle (as in Hastings) the day before as it happens. XD I've started looking at this army (along with others that would work for Hastings & similar). I was thinking for select fyrd get armored spearmen and for great fyrd get unarmored spearmen. Then there's a visual difference. Use more of the same unarmored spearmen for the Hd as well. |
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Post by Les1964 on Nov 2, 2024 16:22:43 GMT
I've started looking at this army (along with others that would work for Hastings & similar). I was thinking for select fyrd get armored spearmen and for great fyrd get unarmored spearmen. Then there's a visual difference. Use more of the same unarmored spearmen for the Hd as well. Another way is to give the select fyrd kite shields and the great fyrd mostly round shields . |
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Post by Cromwell on Nov 2, 2024 18:00:03 GMT
My select Fyrd are shown with some armour such as helmets and some mail. The great Fyrd largely have none. As they are 28mm scale it is easy to see the difference.
The Huscarls have two handed axes, full mail, helmets and shields, some kite on their backs.
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Post by Cromwell on Nov 2, 2024 18:00:42 GMT
Huzzah, one evil invader killed by, well another evil Invader. Ahh, the circle of life! |
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Post by skb777 on Nov 2, 2024 20:07:08 GMT
Huzzah, one evil invader killed by, well another evil Invader. Speaking as a Saxon we assimilated not invaded.  |
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Post by Haardrada on Nov 3, 2024 0:11:10 GMT
Huzzah, one evil invader killed by, well another evil Invader. Speaking as a Saxon we assimilated not invaded. Hem-Hem!...so what was Aethelstan up to in 934AD then?😂 |
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Post by jim1973 on Nov 3, 2024 3:41:21 GMT
The army list for the Anglo-Danish states 4 x Select Fyrd (Sp), 4 x Great Fyrd (Sp/7Hd). I can understand the select Fyrd being spear, but I am a little confused by the two options for the great fyrd. If I select spear then there is no difference between great Fyrd and select Fyrd, although I understood the select Fyrd to be better trained. My inclination is to go for the Horde option for the great Fyrd but this seems to make them a little two fragile at times especially if they pursue and become isolated. Although this does appear to have happened at Hastings. I am interested in which option others may go with and their reasoning. I cannot seem the logic of having great Fyrd the same as Select Fyrd, or perhaps to show a difference use a house rule that great Fyrd spear option elements do not get the Flank support. Interested in what others think. My understanding is that PB had the Spear option to represent the army at Stamford Bridge and the Horde option to represent the army at Hastings after replacing the losses with less trained levies. Jim |
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Post by Cromwell on Nov 3, 2024 8:50:54 GMT
That makes a great deal of sense.
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