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Post by paddy649 on Aug 31, 2023 4:07:27 GMT
Meanwhile I made some calculations... In order to prevent further heating of the oceans we need to cover an area of about 1.200.000 km² or 1.500.000 km². That is roughly the equivalent of Sudan or Mongolia. The car roofs (see above) are only 1/1000 of this. Not so easy. You could always turn the unused areas at the poles white by freezing the sea, covering them with snow and making sure they don’t melt…….Oh!
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Post by paddy649 on Aug 31, 2023 5:46:26 GMT
Alternatively you could use technology to invent a carbon capture device that turns atmospheric carbon into a mineral carbon like anthracite and burries it deep in the ground. Optimally such a device would be solar powered and self-replicating but that might be going a bit far. Of course you’d need to ensure that idiots didn’t cut the device down and burn it before it completed its task or worse still dig up its captured carbon and burn that…..Oh!
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Post by Brian Ború on Aug 31, 2023 11:21:36 GMT
Alternatively you could use technology to invent a carbon capture device that turns atmospheric carbon into a mineral carbon like anthracite and burries it deep in the ground. Optimally such a device would be solar powered and self-replicating but that might be going a bit far. Of course you’d need to ensure that idiots didn’t cut the device down and burn it before it completed its task or worse still dig up its captured carbon and burn that…..Oh! I think the limiting factor and most important factor is time. Our world economy won't be able to avoid carbon production or even reduce it significantly for a long time. Meanwhile we need something to get rid of the surplus energy in our atmosphere. The PRC technology uses deep space for dumping that energy with little materials and needs no power! I'd say that is the thing that might buy just enough time to avoid some tipping points. And the time for this is now.
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Aug 31, 2023 12:14:12 GMT
Am I alone in thinking this Global Warming isn't all what it is claimed to be? History is full of evidence of localized and widespread famine,climate change resulting in massed population movements,rivers freezing,catastrophic flooding,sea levels falling/rising and chains of earth quake/volcanic activity which has led to armies and wars we choose to emulate.....so how can the "scientists" (who don't all agree with each other),know the difference between natural cycles and the extent of human influence on the planet?The rivers Themes nor Tyne have never frozen in my lifetime, neither have Niagara falls....but History records this has happened.Most if the data these guys are making predictions from is under 200 years old,when the planet has been spinning round a star for billions of years....so ladies and gentlemen excuse me when I am not convinced by the term Global warming. The problem is that folks that are on a Crusade (regardless of what it is) are the most vocal.
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Post by Haardrada on Aug 31, 2023 12:35:10 GMT
Ah Haardrada, what do NASA, scientists, climatologists, meteorologists, and all the other ‘-ologists’ know. Yes, the climate of Earth has changed many times in the past 4½ billion years, and those natural processes are still occurring today…but this is the first time a technological society has added to it by doubling the CO2 in 100 years. Look at it another way: good old mother nature has spent 4½ billion years sucking the CO2 out of our atmosphere and burying underground, otherwise we would have an atmosphere like our sister planet Venus, 92 times more dense than present day Earth and composed of 93% carbon dioxide (a greenhouse gas that traps heat). Yet here we are, digging it up and pumping billions of tons of it back into the air just as fast as we can. If I met an alien and he/she/it asked me to describe human beings, I’d say we are like someone that has just jumped off the top of the Empire State building… …each floor they pass they say to themselves “I’m ok so far, nothing to worry about, I’m ok so far…” But arn't the -ologists forgetting something? According to research carried out in 2018 meat and dairy production uses 83% of farmland and produces 60% if the greenhouse gases.Plus one third of food production worldwide...1.3 billion tones is waisted every year.World hunger is affecting 30 million people and 10 million are facing emergency and famine conditions. Surely there is a bigger benefit to resolving these issues than painting roofs white.....in fact,why not do both?😂
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Post by Brian Ború on Aug 31, 2023 12:42:04 GMT
Ah Haardrada, what do NASA, scientists, climatologists, meteorologists, and all the other ‘-ologists’ know. Yes, the climate of Earth has changed many times in the past 4½ billion years, and those natural processes are still occurring today…but this is the first time a technological society has added to it by doubling the CO2 in 100 years. Look at it another way: good old mother nature has spent 4½ billion years sucking the CO2 out of our atmosphere and burying underground, otherwise we would have an atmosphere like our sister planet Venus, 92 times more dense than present day Earth and composed of 93% carbon dioxide (a greenhouse gas that traps heat). Yet here we are, digging it up and pumping billions of tons of it back into the air just as fast as we can. If I met an alien and he/she/it asked me to describe human beings, I’d say we are like someone that has just jumped off the top of the Empire State building… …each floor they pass they say to themselves “I’m ok so far, nothing to worry about, I’m ok so far…” But arn't the -ologists forgetting something? According to research carried out in 2018 meat and dairy production uses 83% of farmland and produces 60% if the greenhouse gases.Plus one third of food production worldwide...1.3 billion tones is waisted every year.World hunger is affecting 30 million people and 10 million are facing emergency and famine conditions. Surely there is a bigger benefit to resolving these issues than painting roofs white.....in fact,why not do both?😂 Yep, I started the one, and my kids convinced me of the other... (Why is there no 'thumbs up' emoji anywhere in here?) And painting the roofs white won't save the world, but it might gain precious time to do all the other right things...
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Post by stevie on Aug 31, 2023 13:52:11 GMT
he problem is that folks that are on a Crusade (regardless of what it is) are the most vocal. Being on a crusade won’t destroy the world…sitting back and doing nothing will. “There’s always been a forest, so let’s chop down the last trees, they’ll grow back”, …said the inhabitants of Easter Island. “There’s millions of Bison, so lets kill as many as we like for meat, hides, and sport”, …said Buffalo Bill (fortunately, some were saved, so they didn’t go extinct). “There’s always been an ozone layer, so let’s keep using CFC’s in refrigerators”, …said the rich western nations of Earth (fortunately, the danger was spotted in time). “I’ve just passed the 87th floor, but I’m ok so far, as I don’t believe in gravity…”
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Post by menacussecundus on Aug 31, 2023 17:45:03 GMT
................................ “I’ve just passed the 87th floor, but I’m ok so far, as I don’t believe in gravity…” In which direction, stevie?
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Post by paddy649 on Aug 31, 2023 17:50:45 GMT
Crusade is the wrong word - The Crusades were based on intolerance, religious dogma and belief (stuff that has no evidence base) and this is based on Science and is supported by lots of evidence.
Why are Scientists so vocal - well unfortunately Darwin isn’t working on their side on this one. They didn’t really care about anti-Vaxers, if those idiots did nothing and didn’t get themselves or their kids vaccinated then they would die and Darwin would do the rest. The Scientists’ kids were all vaccinated and safe. No problem! However, with climate change it is different. If we ALL don’t address it as a united earth society then the Scientists’ kids with be just as dead as the Climate Change deniers kids.
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Post by stevie on Aug 31, 2023 21:48:56 GMT
................................ “I’ve just passed the 87th floor, but I’m ok so far, as I don’t believe in gravity…” In which direction, stevie? ♫ “The only way is up”♪ according to Yazz. Personally I think that all Flat-Earthers should be pushed over the edge. That’ll teach ‘em…
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Post by Baldie on Sept 1, 2023 7:49:18 GMT
I believe the world may have it's own way of dealing with climate change and over demand on resources. It will let the foolish humans keep going till we break it and either die off naturally or kill ourselves in a resource grab sparking Armageddon.
What's left will take over and earth may get another couple of billion years before the sun decides it has had enough.
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Post by snowcat on Sept 1, 2023 8:00:34 GMT
Humans will be off-world by then. (Some of them anyway.)
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Post by Brian Ború on Sept 1, 2023 8:22:33 GMT
Humans will be off-world by then. (Some of them anyway.) You mean Elon & Jeff?
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Post by snowcat on Sept 1, 2023 8:41:50 GMT
I know you're joking but it wouldn't surprise me. A few years ago I would have said: no, I expect they'll be dead before that happens. Unless life-extension kicks in early.
But who knows? Technology is racing ahead in certain ways (AI, etc.)...
The very wealthy and their chosen will colonise other worlds.
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Post by Brian Ború on Sept 1, 2023 9:05:34 GMT
I know you're joking but it wouldn't surprise me. A few years ago I would have said: no, I expect they'll be dead before that happens. Unless life-extension kicks in early. But who knows? Technology is racing ahead in certain ways (AI, etc.)... The very wealthy and their chosen will colonise other worlds. Homo sapiens? Homo insipiens–unreasonable man! To spoil paradise, only to give it away for some dull, dirty and cold rock somewhere far away... I hope Elon & Jeff suffer from space sickness all the way there and back again. Meanwhile I keep on increasing the earth's albedo. Up to now I've enlarged it by 7m², reducing the earth's surplus energy by about 2.3 kW per year. If I estimated it right, now there are only about 535,000 km² left to do.
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