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Post by hodsopa on Oct 16, 2016 21:19:47 GMT
2 Kn in column are sneaking down the left hand side of the board, 1cm from the edge. The leading Kn is contacted in its right flank by a 3Pk. At the end of the movement phase is what happens that 1) the leading Kn turns to face the Pk; 2) the second Kn in the column turns behind the first, partly exceeds the edge of the board and is therefore lost?
Or is what happens that the second Kn reverses towards its own baseline to give the first room to turn?
Paul H (incompetently preparing for PAWS in December)
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Post by martin on Oct 16, 2016 22:21:05 GMT
2 Kn in column are sneaking down the left hand side of the board, 1cm from the edge. The leading Kn is contacted in its right flank by a 3Pk. At the end of the movement phase is what happens that 1) the leading Kn turns to face the Pk; 2) the second Kn in the column turns behind the first, partly exceeds the edge of the board and is therefore lost? Or is what happens that the second Kn reverses towards its own baseline to give the first room to turn? Paul H (incompetently preparing for PAWS in December) The 'old' rule used to be that the contactor backed away enough to leave room for the pair to turn, one behind the other.....not sure in v3. m |
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Post by timurilank on Oct 17, 2016 6:09:17 GMT
Moving into contact with enemy, page 9, second paragraph.
“If conforming to a front edge by contactors is prevented by part element spacing between enemy or physically blocked by elements, terrain or a base edge, contacted elements or groups must either conform or fight as if in full contact and overlapped.”
We have played this as Martin mentioned with the entire column turning to face the enemy with its rear resting on the base edge.
We have also played the other option of leaving the contact situation as is (column flanked by enemy element) and factor the full contact plus overlap.
See Diagrams, figure 13 “Unable to line up” for similar resolutions.
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Fab
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Post by Fab on Oct 17, 2016 18:51:02 GMT
IMHO the rule mentioned by Timurilank is applied only when the contactor front edge is unable to conform to the enemy FRONT edge.
hodsopa case is different : the contactor front edge has correctly contacted an enemy side edge so the contacted element must turn to conform and the paragraph at the beginning of page 10 should be applied.
This means that the "old" rule mentioned by Martin is the right solution, IMHO
Cheers
Fab
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Post by timurilank on Oct 17, 2016 19:42:10 GMT
IMHO the rule mentioned by Timurilank is applied only when the contactor front edge is unable to conform to the enemy FRONT edge. hodsopa case is different : the contactor front edge has correctly contacted an enemy side edge so the contacted element must turn to conform and the paragraph at the beginning of page 10 should be applied. This means that the "old" rule mentioned by Martin is the right solution, IMHO Cheers Fab We don't know the surrounding conditions that might limit the 3Pk stepping back to allow the column to face enemy but indeed the "old" rule is best applied here.
I have seen yet another resolution, the forward element of Kn turning to face the 3Pk forcing the second element of Kn to move back just enough to allow the contact as there is only 1 cm of space. We have seen similar situations with a column of 3 foot elements (15mm deep basing) contacted in the flank, the first two elements turn to face in column while the third moves back to allow the contact.
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Post by bob on Oct 19, 2016 19:27:38 GMT
In DBA 2.2 the problem was dealt with quite nicely:
"Elements not in mutual front edge contact with an enemy element but contacted to flank or rear by an enemy front edge turn to face the first to so contact at the end of the movement phase, the contactor making room. "
"Contractor making room" is omitted from DBA 3 as others have noted.
"If an element so contacts the flanks of two enemy elements, both these turn to face it if the first must, the second moving to behind the first. On the rare occasions that a third element is contacted, it is pushed back (p.9) to make room for the others to turn."
Rather than use home rules to cover the situation, perhaps, given Phil's reluctance to do any repetition for clarification's sake, we can use the preceding sentence to apply to the double rank situation:
"Any existing contacts are adjusted by moving the elements forward, back or the minimum distance sideways to maintain contact. "
So, rather than push the second rank off the battlefield edge, we adjust the existing contacts (the two attacked elements) by moving the elements, in this case the attacking element, back, to maintain the existing contacts.
Yes, same effect as the home rules cited, but with textual justification?
The 2.2 "contractor making room" was eliminated from the very first 3 draft I have: February, 2011. The text in the final version is the same as in that original version.
Did the issue of what happens when there is lack of room to turn come up during development?
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