(c) Spartacus 74BC-71BC: lx3Cv or 4Bd (Gen), 4x4Bd, 5x5Wb, 2x2Ps.
And Knights crushing revolting peasants in some obscure village doesn't count as a "battle". (True)
Though Warbands are common units in every barbarian Celtic and Germanic tribe and on every barbarian battlefield, Hordes are just street rioters and angry peasants. (Says who?)
Hordes just don't make the written record. (Oh yes they do)
So why use them at all?
Instead, how about just classifying Hordes as a city/town equivalent of a Warband? (Warbands are warriors who like to fight...7Hd are reluctantly forced into being there. And 5Hd are the rioters, looking for a fight, but with no military training, skill, or equipment)
Hmmm…it all depends on what you want to call them.
Hordes, lowly peasants, serfs with improvised farming tools as weapons… …any of these names are far more descriptive than the artificial term ‘5Wb’.
Assuming that a ‘Warband’ represents fierce wild brave warriors… …except when they are half-armed conscripted ‘5Wb’ who don’t want to be there… …which is the complete opposite of fierce wild brave warriors…
So I’d say that DBA has got it right, and it is DBM that has got it wrong.
Last Edit: Dec 1, 2022 15:37:12 GMT by stevie: ...just a thought...☺
After all, it would be rather odd if fierce wild warriors, who come from a society that considers bravery in combat as being the greatest virtue (and sometimes fought completely naked, with their dangling bits exposed!) were treated the same as a peasant farmer who steps out of his mud hut to be confronted by a soldier saying “Congratulations, you are now part of the king’s army. Grab whatever you can to use as a weapon, and we leave in 5 minutes.”
On the other hand, I don’t see the point in having two different types of civilian, i.e. city denizens and camp followers, that follow different rules. (see fanaticus.boards.net/post/8552/ “Sallying Civilians”)
Page 12, Pursuing:- (b) An element of Knights (other than 4Kn), Scythed Chariots, Elephants or Hordes pursues 1 BW straight ahead.
The rational of Hd against SCh is that they are huddled together in a deep multi-rank formation, that halts the chariots by their sheer mass…and stationary SCh have no momentum.
All right, I admit it. In DBA, with only 12 elements per army, each has to have advantages and disadvantages. Make Hordes completely useless and nobody would use them. So it’s a play-balance thing.
Nonetheless, there is a big difference between warriors that have practised all their life for combat looking for glory compared to a bunch of unwilling conscripts with no helmets, no armor, no shields, no proper weapons and no fighting skills, who just want to go home. (And a dirty great elephant in a zoo terrifies me…and I don’t have to fight one!)