Ainkatsiss
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Post by Ainkatsiss on Nov 14, 2022 10:21:52 GMT
I'm planing to paint some french infantry for the battle of Spain in the napoleonic period.
It appears to be very hard for me to find a good compilation of the differents uniforms in use there... Do you have some sources ?
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Post by Baldie on Nov 14, 2022 12:18:20 GMT
Hi there, if PM me your email I can put you in touch with my chum Tim He runs a Napoleonic YouTube channel and is bound to be able to help.
Ta
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Post by menacussecundus on Nov 14, 2022 15:36:11 GMT
My first stop would be Haythornthwaite's "Uniforms of the Peninsular War 1807-14", published by Blandford Press. It's pretty old now, but you should be able to find a second-hand copy at a reasonable price.
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Post by timurilank on Nov 14, 2022 15:56:43 GMT
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Post by Brian Ború on Nov 14, 2022 16:03:20 GMT
This website provides contemporary paintings of certain battles. link
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Post by Cromwell on Nov 14, 2022 18:16:48 GMT
As my Napoleonic armies are all 2mm black for hat, blue for tunic and white for trousers. Job done! Too small to see if you got the buttons wrong
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Ainkatsiss
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My english is... what it is. If you don't understand me, please ask me to clarify ;-)
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Post by Ainkatsiss on Nov 14, 2022 18:28:58 GMT
As my Napoleonic armies are all 2mm black for hat, blue for tunic and white for trousers. Job done! Too small to see if you got the buttons wrong To be honest, it could be the fastest way to solve it ^^. But as i know me, i will soon want some regiment specific color scheme... And as one of my mate want to plain the Spanish campain, i'm looking for ressources. I'm a but surprised do not find proper order of battle, as it is easy to find for WWII battle for exemple. I can sometime find army corps, but regiment/batalion available are hard to identify.
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Post by menacussecundus on Nov 14, 2022 18:40:42 GMT
As my Napoleonic armies are all 2mm black for hat, blue for tunic and white for trousers. Job done! Too small to see if you got the buttons wrong To be honest, it could be the fastest way to solve it ^^. But as i know me, i will soon want some regiment specific color scheme... And as one of my mate want to plain the Spanish campain, i'm looking for ressources. I'm a but surprised do not find proper order of battle, as it is easy to find for WWII battle for exemple. I can sometime find army corps, but regiment/batalion available are hard to identify. I seem to remember that the Blandford also gives orbats. If I'm wrong, then Michael Glover's The Peninsular War certainly does (at least in the edition I have).
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Post by timurilank on Nov 14, 2022 19:17:37 GMT
As my Napoleonic armies are all 2mm black for hat, blue for tunic and white for trousers. Job done! Too small to see if you got the buttons wrong To be honest, it could be the fastest way to solve it ^^. But as i know me, i will soon want some regiment specific color scheme... And as one of my mate want to plain the Spanish campain, i'm looking for ressources. I'm a but surprised do not find proper order of battle, as it is easy to find for WWII battle for exemple. I can sometime find army corps, but regiment/batalion available are hard to identify. You will find OB for the major engagements in the History of the Peninsular War, by Oman. My Spanish are modelled after Del Parque’s army of late 1809 as listed in Oman’s volume 3. 18thcenturysojourn.blogspot.com/2018/11/portugal-180809-expanding-project.html
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Post by elliesdad on Nov 14, 2022 19:45:28 GMT
My first stop would be Haythornthwaite's "Uniforms of the Peninsular War 1807-14", published by Blandford Press. It's pretty old now, but you should be able to find a second-hand copy at a reasonable price. For first impressions of the armies and a general “what they looked like” you can’t beat the Haythornthwaite book. And, as menacussecundus says, you should be able to pick up a decent copy fairly cheaply. Well worth the investment. Cheers, Geoff
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Ainkatsiss
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Post by Ainkatsiss on Nov 15, 2022 6:49:31 GMT
Thank you very much everybody, i've found really a lot of interesting stuff here ! I'm reading at the moment an order of battle i've found in the Nafziger collection of napoleonic orders of battle. But i don't understand some points. For exemple in this one: I think 3/l5th Line Infantry Regiment (25/937) mean the 3rd batalion of the 15th infantry regiment, but i don't know what are the numbers after: (25/937), (63/2.299) and (39/1145) in this exemple. If they are the number of soldiers, it would be very usefull to me, in order to know how much figurins i should use to represent each unit. Could someone clarify this for me ?
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Post by timurilank on Nov 15, 2022 7:18:16 GMT
Thank you very much everybody, i've found really a lot of interesting stuff here ! I'm reading at the moment an order of battle i've found in the Nafziger collection of napoleonic orders of battle. But i don't understand some points. For exemple in this one: I think 3/l5th Line Infantry Regiment (25/937) mean the 3rd batalion of the 15th infantry regiment, but i don't know what are the numbers after: (25/937), (63/2.299) and (39/1145) in this exemple. If they are the number of soldiers, it would be very usefull to me, in order to know how much figurins i should use to represent each unit. Could someone clarify this for me ?
Read as, 1st Brigade: Gen. Avril 3rd battalion, 15th Line (25 officers, 937 men) 1st and 2nd battalion, 70th Line (63 officers, 2,299 men) 1st battalion, 4th Swiss (39 officers, 1,145 men) The numbers quoted are paper strength and campaign activity, such as convoy escort, garrison duty, and sickness, would reduce this.
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Post by Brian Ború on Nov 15, 2022 15:30:54 GMT
As my Napoleonic armies are all 2mm black for hat, blue for tunic and white for trousers. Job done! Too small to see if you got the buttons wrong To be honest, it could be the fastest way to solve it ^^. But as i know me, i will soon want some regiment specific color scheme... And as one of my mate want to plain the Spanish campain, i'm looking for ressources. I'm a but surprised do not find proper order of battle, as it is easy to find for WWII battle for exemple. I can sometime find army corps, but regiment/batalion available are hard to identify. Jac Weller: Wellington in the Peninsula gives maps and detailed informations to every (!) battle, even pictures of the landscape. A wonderful piece of literature.
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Ainkatsiss
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Post by Ainkatsiss on Nov 17, 2022 18:01:16 GMT
Due to the many sources you gave to me, i've managed to paint some figurines. But of course now i have other questions ^^:
In the rule i'll play, a standard battalion is made of 4 elements. Usually, 1 staff with flag, and 3 line infantry.
Question 1: Historically, in each battalion we could find 2 elite companies, "grenadiers and "voltigeurs" for the french. But i think it would be strange to have for my battalions 1 staff element, 2 elite elements, 1 line elements. So what i may do is to put 1 elite element in each, and eventually add the second element of elite in case of "big battalion (6 elements). What do you think of that, would you have others idea ? My solution would give me the possibility to eventually play the elite companie together in a battle made battalion.
Question 2: Still historically, were main battalion officer on foot or on horse ? As the element are always on 2 ranks i could have a 1BWx1BW element, counted as 2 element, with 1 horse officer, 1 flag, 1 drum, and 2 soldiers in the second rank. But i can't find anything about how were the battalions leaders.
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Post by vodnik on Nov 17, 2022 19:59:06 GMT
...the DBA-Extension are clear. If you use other rules it could be a problem...
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