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Post by skb777 on Jan 19, 2023 15:19:37 GMT
Having started out on the WRG rules set, when it became DBA we never got beyond the first game. Warband are far too powerful, in our book anyway, beyong the initial charge. All you carefully planned Pike, spear, blades just dissolved. Not sure if this has ever been rectified. Recently looked at DBMM and it does at least offer solutions to this conundrum, though translating Phil Barker's language is a challenge. Welcome to fanaticus! I do hope you try DBA 3. It is not perfect but it's very good and improved from the earlier versions. Certainly warband are not considered too powerful in the current version. If anything people find them a little underpowered but they can still pull off a win with some careful planning or good dice rolling! Cheers JimHey Jim, thank you. I look forward to having a look around the forums |
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Post by timurilank on Jan 19, 2023 16:19:22 GMT
Having started out on the WRG rules set, when it became DBA we never got beyond the first game. Warband are far too powerful, in our book anyway, beyong the initial charge. All you carefully planned Pike, spear, blades just dissolved. Not sure if this has ever been rectified. Recently looked at DBMM and it does at least offer solutions to this conundrum, though translating Phil Barker's language is a challenge. Welcome to the forum skb777, I would echo the comments made, DBA3 is an improvement over previous version. We play historical matches, yet warband heavy armies can pose problems for an overconfident opponent. However, tactical use of auxilia, psiloi and cavalry can blunt a warband assault, leaving the “heavy metal” to tip the scales. |
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Post by stevie on Jan 19, 2023 16:50:48 GMT
I for one particularly like commanding Warband armies…
…although it is true that some other players do not.
Like most element types in DBA 3.0, Warbands have both advantages and disadvantages.
Good against Blades and Spears, but they will pursue, getting themselves into trouble.
Equal against Auxiliaries, and actually superior if they can afford to have rear-support.
But they can’t kill Psiloi or Light Horse, and they are weak against Cavalry.
Plus they are absolutely slaughtered by Knights, at least in good going.
The main advantage of DBA 3.0 is that it is relatively simple, quick to play,
reasonably realistic, and doesn’t require masses of figures so it’s cheap as well.
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Post by sonic on Jan 19, 2023 17:02:07 GMT
I prefer the double-sized variant of DBA3 over all other styles or rules. I don't know exactly why, but it has something to do with the limited control plus the ability to use psiloi aggressively.
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Post by vodnik on Jan 19, 2023 18:21:57 GMT
...DBA cannot be compared with DBM or subsequent versions. Warriors need points to avoid attacking the enemy in the greater rules...
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Post by skb777 on Jan 19, 2023 19:47:48 GMT
...DBA cannot be compared with DBM or subsequent versions. Warriors need points to avoid attacking the enemy in the greater rules... Not saying they are the same, just that Blade can kill warband in it's own bound and that evens it out a little. |
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Post by skb777 on Jan 19, 2023 19:54:46 GMT
I for one particularly like commanding Warband armies… …although it is true that some other players do not. Like most element types in DBA 3.0, Warbands have both advantages and disadvantages. Good against Blades and Spears, but they will pursue, getting themselves into trouble. Equal against Auxiliaries, and actually superior if they can afford to have rear-support. But they can’t kill Psiloi or Light Horse, and they are weak against Cavalry. Plus they are absolutely slaughtered by Knights, at least in good going. The main advantage of DBA 3.0 is that it is relatively simple, quick to play, reasonably realistic, and doesn’t require masses of figures so it’s cheap as well. Yeah I get that, it looks like it could be fun for Dark Age Era were 500 men could be called an Army, or even Roman Civil War or periods I don't really know much about, just don't quite think it ticks the boxes for the Classical period, which is my main interest. I wouldn't be putting a Polybian or Marian Roman up against a Celt any time as I think it's unfair that every round warband can destroy Blade just by scoring higher. As I said, maybe if it was only the initial charge could sweep blades/spear/pike away and after that it became more of a slog I think that would work. I also get that it's probably just my issue with it lol
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Post by stevie on Jan 19, 2023 22:24:15 GMT
Overlaps Skb777…in DBA, it’s all about the overlaps.  If the Blades have the overlaps, they’ll cut the Warbands to pieces. And if the Warbands have the overlaps, well, then it’s the opposite. The problem is…Warbands, even with rear-support, often recoil from Blades. And even the vaulted legionaries did sometimes lose battles against the barbarians. |
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Post by skb777 on Jan 20, 2023 12:07:31 GMT
Overlaps Skb777…in DBA, it’s all about the overlaps. If the Blades have the overlaps, they’ll cut the Warbands to pieces. And if the Warbands have the overlaps, well, then it’s the opposite. The problem is…Warbands, even with rear-support, often recoil from Blades. And even the vaulted legionaries did sometimes lose battles against the barbarians. I understand they aren't meant to be historically accurate, but the poor Roman's shouldn't have to rely on an overlap just to win. |
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Post by Baldie on Jan 20, 2023 13:02:45 GMT
The poor Roman's should be surrounded in bad going and sent packing.
It's the poor ancient British putting up with these pilum wielding thugs we need to be sorry for.
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Post by skb777 on Jan 20, 2023 14:26:55 GMT
The poor Roman's should be surrounded in bad going and sent packing. It's the poor ancient British putting up with these pilum wielding thugs we need to be sorry for. What have the Romans ever done for us, eh? |
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Post by Baldie on Jan 20, 2023 17:15:04 GMT
The poor Roman's should be surrounded in bad going and sent packing. It's the poor ancient British putting up with these pilum wielding thugs we need to be sorry for. What have the Romans ever done for us, eh? Slaughter our men, enslaved our women and children, stole our precious metals, turned brother on brother, made the south the economic heart of the country and probably some other stuff as well. Mind they did build a couple of walls which were pretty good. |
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