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Post by menacussecundus on Mar 26, 2022 19:01:57 GMT
It is past crying for now, but do any of the revising committee know whether any consideration was given to allowing deeper bases for chariots in the smaller scale (40mm frontage)?
Spear, 4Bd and 4Wb all have the option of a deeper (20mm) base; something I have never found necessary. But 15mm chariots are limited to the one base size of 40x40, even though their 25/28mm equivalents have the option of a 60x80mm base.
Similarly - and even more strangely - elephants and artillery are on square bases for 15mm figures but oblong (60x80) ones for 25/28mm figures, which means some moves are possible in 15mm scale, but not on an identical 25/28mm scale battlefield. But at least it is possible to fit 15mm scale elephants onto a 40x40mm base.
Granted, it is also - just about - possible to fit a 15mm Essex Miniatures 4-horse chariot onto a 40x40 base. But there is an overhang on both the front and the rear edge which makes it impossible to have two chariots in column (and very difficult to have a chariot in a column with quite a few other element types).
Which brings me back to wondering why the opportunity wasn't taken to allow chariots the option of a deeper base.
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Post by Baldie on Mar 27, 2022 7:55:59 GMT
My chum has based his NKE chariots on longer elegant bases. If flanked or any movement shenanigans are needed he just sits a 40 x 40 base on the table where the chariot actually would be.
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Post by menacussecundus on Mar 27, 2022 10:05:15 GMT
My chum has based his NKE chariots on longer elegant bases. If flanked or any movement shenanigans are needed he just sits a 40 x 40 base on the table where the chariot actually would be. I did something similar for my Assyrians, which were my first chariot army, but ended up replacing the Essex chariots with ones from Magister Militum. |
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Post by stevie on Mar 27, 2022 10:24:23 GMT
Well, the top of page 5 of the Great Purple Book does say:- “Players should keep as closely as possible to the minimum depths recommended below”... ...so I suppose a slight bit of depth extension is allowed if need be. I think Baldie’s mate has the best idea, with perhaps a nice picture on the temporary 40 x 40 base:-  (See juniorgeneral.org/index.php/figure/figureList/topdowns#83 for more examples) I find base depths to be a major challenge for my HoTT Sci-Fi armies, as there is no way of getting my huge War Of The Worlds Martian Tripod Blades on mere 15mm deep bases! So I have them on 40 x 40 bases, and remember to only recoil them 15mm as if they were Blades. |
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Post by menacussecundus on Mar 27, 2022 10:35:47 GMT
Well, the top of page 5 of the Great Purple Book does say:- “Players should keep as closely as possible to the minimum depths recommended below”... ...so I suppose a slight bit of depth extension is allowed if need be. I think Baldie’s mate has the best idea, with perhaps a nice picture on the temporary 40 x 40 base:- (See juniorgeneral.org/index.php/figure/figureList/topdowns#83 for more examples) I find base depths to be a major challenge for my HoTT Sci-Fi armies, as there is no way of getting my huge War Of The Worlds Martian Tripod Blades on mere 15mm deep bases! So I have them on 40 x 40 bases, and remember to only recoil them 15mm as if they were Blades. I've always taken that to mean keep as closely as possible to the minimum where deeper bases are allowed. Unless there is a range, there is no minimum or maximum depth. I put a 25mm Assyrian infantryman on the temporary bases. |
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Post by stevie on Mar 27, 2022 10:43:57 GMT
Hmmm...there is a difference between “ should” and “ recommended” as opposed to “ must”...  |
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Post by jim1973 on Mar 27, 2022 16:04:36 GMT
Just finishing up a Xyston Persian Scythed Chariot. Put it on 40x40mm initially and it looked silly, with half a the wheel projecting out the back and needing to trim the horse bases. Went for a 40x60mm and much happier. Of course, as a one off element, it's not going to be a problem. But having 4-5 would be when you are turning to flank opponents in a crowd. Luckily Museum NKE fit on 40x40mm. I would hope that people would have a gentlemen's agreement that if the base becomes an issue it can be replaced temporarily with a substitute 40x40mm blank base.
Cheers
Jim
PS I'm thinking of making a number of blank but flocked bases to add to the front of some of my Sp and Pk to allow them to contact the enemy without bending the weapons. Basically, the blank base is the actual location of the element, with the element behind it for decoration. It's an alternative of the decorative double base idea.
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Post by Simon on Mar 27, 2022 19:38:40 GMT
If the chariot bases were deeper than recommended, I wouldn't have a problem admitting them in a Bakewell tournament!
Simon
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Post by menacussecundus on Mar 27, 2022 20:30:53 GMT
If the chariot bases were deeper than recommended, I wouldn't have a problem admitting them in a Bakewell tournament! Simon Thank you, Simon. Can I take it that this applies to Britcon too? |
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Post by Simon on Mar 28, 2022 7:22:26 GMT
If the chariot bases were deeper than recommended, I wouldn't have a problem admitting them in a Bakewell tournament! Simon Thank you, Simon. Can I take it that this applies to Britcon too? Yes |
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Post by jim1973 on Apr 2, 2022 2:51:15 GMT
On a similar theme, I'm struggling to base Xyston Sparabara on 40x30mm. So I'm going to use 40x35mm and avoid any issues with flankers recoiling.
Jim
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Post by Les1964 on Apr 2, 2022 7:13:20 GMT
On a similar theme, I'm struggling to base Xyston Sparabara on 40x30mm. So I'm going to use 40x35mm and avoid any issues with flankers recoiling. Jim Shouldn't 8Bw be on a 40 x 40mm base ? |
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Post by menacussecundus on Apr 2, 2022 7:40:34 GMT
On a similar theme, I'm struggling to base Xyston Sparabara on 40x30mm. So I'm going to use 40x35mm and avoid any issues with flankers recoiling. Jim Shouldn't 8Bw be on a 40 x 40mm base ? Indeed they should. Well spotted. |
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Post by jim1973 on Apr 2, 2022 7:40:49 GMT
I don't have the purple with me but I thought it said 30-40mm. Happy to be wrong. Saves a hassle.
I wonder if there's a difference between the original edition and the DBA 3.0 release?
Jim
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Post by Les1964 on Apr 2, 2022 18:51:06 GMT
I don't have the purple with me but I thought it said 30-40mm. Jim 30- 40 mm deep is for Hds , 8Bw defo on 40mm deep . |
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