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Post by martin on Dec 11, 2016 21:24:55 GMT
What about the rule on page 11 of DBA3 ""Fast elements neither give or receive flank support"". Spratzman Flank support is a 'plus' modifier for certain troops with the right type of friends on their adjacent side in good going (imagine a shield wall - the spears get +1 cos of the solidity of the line). Basically Sp get side/flank support from SOLID Bds, or from other spear. SOLID Bws get flank support from SOLID Bds.* This is NOT THE SAME THING AS OVERLAP, which is a MINUS modifier for troops who are overlapped/flanked by enemy. M * so yes, Fast troops don't get or receive side support |
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Post by martin on Dec 11, 2016 21:27:22 GMT
Where there are three El against one 3Pk and the 3Pk is in front edge contact with the middle El, does the El get an overlap on each side? We are not sure if El can overlap any type of troops. Thanks B and M for your replies so far. The LH and the 4Ax move issues are clear now. S The elephants to either side CAUSE an overlap negative factor AGAINST the lone 3Pk. So the 3Pk goes from a factor of +4 to a factor of +2 because it is overlapped on two sides (ie two x -1 modifiers against the 3Pk). M |
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Post by spratzman on Dec 12, 2016 0:01:46 GMT
So if we use this logic then it is possible for 3 elements facing 1 element to get +1 for each flank support (+2 total) and causing the 1 element to take a - 2 due to an overlap on each side.
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Post by lkmjbc on Dec 12, 2016 2:36:43 GMT
So if we use this logic then it is possible for 3 elements facing 1 element to get +1 for each flank support (+2 total) and causing the 1 element to take a - 2 due to an overlap on each side. S Well, close. Flank support is +1 max. So, you can have -2 for overlap and +1 for side support. Joe Collins |
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Post by spratzman on Dec 12, 2016 4:03:00 GMT
Thanks guys you have all helped clarify the Barkenese rules 😆😆
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Post by bob on Dec 12, 2016 5:30:09 GMT
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I did not see Joe's comment which covered this issue very well. So I withdraw mine.
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Post by mthrguth on Dec 12, 2016 10:15:37 GMT
flank support is different from overlaps. If I have a line of 3 spears all lined up in side edge to side edge combat then they are all a factor of 4+1=5 due to the flank support rule. A spear lined up adjacent to a solid blade also gets a +1. A spear adjacent to a 3 figure fast blade does not get the +1.
Overlaps is a tactical factor the next bullet down, and is not dependent on 'fast'.
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Post by spratzman on Dec 12, 2016 23:10:38 GMT
Good example M of when the flank support rule applies and when it does not.
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Post by genoansteel on Dec 14, 2016 7:01:36 GMT
What about the rule on page 11 of DBA3 ""Fast elements neither give or receive flank support"". Spratzman I think you're confusing overlapping and Flank support. Flank support is when you have a "solid" element (eg Sp) lined up next to you. In this case both Sp will get +1 for Flank Support "Fast" elements would not get this Flank support bonus. Overlapping is when (for eg) the two Sp are lined up against a single enemy element. In this case the enemy element gets -1 penalty for being overlapped. However, if the enemy element is a Ps or Sch, then the overlap penalty does not apply. |
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Post by genoansteel on Dec 14, 2016 7:03:06 GMT
Sorry, looks like it was already explained.
I didn't realize there was a page 2
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Post by weddier on Dec 26, 2016 0:33:53 GMT
Solid foot get +1 for appropriate friendly side support, but fast foot neither give nor receive this. For your second question, the 3Pk is overlapped for its die roll. Tactical factors are -1 for each flank overlapped.
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Post by montyburns on Feb 9, 2017 3:35:25 GMT
What about the rule on page 11 of DBA3 ""Fast elements neither give or receive flank support"". Spratzman I think you're mixing Flank Support and Overlapping. Flank Support: Some “Solid” elements add +1 when in frontal close combat in good going against enemy foot if at least one flank edge is in mutual side edge and mutual front corner contact with a friendly element. Spears add +1 if supported by Spears or “Solid” Blades. “Solid” Bows add +1 if supported by “Solid” Blades. “Fast” elements neither give nor receive flank support. Overlapping: An element not in frontal close combat but in mutual right-to-right or left-to-left front corner contact with any enemy element except Psiloi or Scythed Chariots overlaps this; even if it is exposed by a frontal opponent having recoiled, fled or been destroyed that bound. Any enemies in any mutual flank edge contact overlap each other whether in close combat or not. Flank Support is a bonus that some specific units add to specific friendly units. Overlapping is a penalty imposed on the enemy unit. The same unit may provide both eg. my line of 2 4SP units contact your 1 4Sp unit my 4 Sp unit will be +5 (+4,+1 for flank support) while your 4 Sp is at +3 (+4,-1 for overlapped) with both my +1 & your -1 being generated by my 2nd 4Sp unit but they are 2 seperate modifiers. |
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Post by montyburns on Feb 9, 2017 3:39:33 GMT
Sorry, looks like it was already explained. I didn't realize there was a page 2 Neither did I & I'm about 2 months after you.  |
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