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Post by derrickthewhite on Aug 24, 2021 21:46:34 GMT
I mostly by HotT digitally, which means I don't paint miniatures... but I do make 2D art for the units from scratch! I will be displaying my armies here. My first army to display is the Red Panda Army. It has Kung-Fu Masters (Heroes), Spearmen, Crossbowmen (shooters), Rocket Artillery, Knights (Red Panda's riding giant Pandas), and a Camp serving as the stronghold, with bamboo stakes at its edge, protecting the map wagon, carts, and the tents. The Units are scaled to be 40mm wide if the image is an A4 sheet (I think it fits on US letter as well). Enjoy! And if you have any suggestions to improve the army, let me know.  |
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Post by derrickthewhite on Sept 14, 2021 18:28:02 GMT
Here is the latest version of my dinosaur army. Its previous iteration was exceptionally mobile, with lurkers being its only "foot" troops. This version added triceratops riders as "Phalanx": doubled spears that don't ever come apart and only cost 3. If my opponent doesn't want to play with that, I can field them as ordinary spear. We still have a lot of mobility, with raptors and handlers playing the role of beasts, pterosaur riders as flyers, and Tyrannosaurs as behemoths. I've also added small dinosaurs to the lurkers, and a camp. The army remains a cavalry-heavy force that doesn't mind a little rough terrain. The sheet is scaled for US printer paper. I'm exceptionally fond of this army, let me know how to improve the art or the list!  |
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Post by Cromwell on Sept 19, 2021 7:52:50 GMT
Wonderful art work!
Have you tried doing a similar thing for DBA armies?
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Post by derrickthewhite on Sept 20, 2021 19:32:18 GMT
I don't have DBA: just HotT. Back in January I had a roman army in this style. It could probably mostly work for DBA, and once I have the base art for an army, I can often put together more elements quickly. The Roman Hero unit probably doesn't transfer, and I wasn't sold on the ballista in the original army. I also get the impression there are some skirmishing units in DBA that I'd need to do to have a proper Roman army.
I actually lost my Romans, along with almost all of my explicitly HotT stuff, when an overactive toddler smashed a USB key. I have some of the original art, though not all of it. I'm making a recovery. Hopefully the art will be better this time.
In terms of "Normal" Armies, I also had a set of Napoleonic inspired troops, with line infantry, cannons, and saber cavalry. I don't know how DBA that is though.
If someone is really interested in a specific army made in this form, I can probably get it together. The panda army was made on request of my wife, and its turned out pretty well.
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Post by Cromwell on Sept 22, 2021 6:44:03 GMT
Your Napoleonic stuff could be good for DBN.
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Post by derrickthewhite on Sept 22, 2021 19:31:57 GMT
And here we have my goblin forces. This is really the first army I made, as I already had the goblin faces, and my initial goblin (and Troll) faces were much better quality than the first human faces I tried to make (humans are hard. Ugly is easy). The camp was the last and hardest thing to make, which I found a little weird. The wolves are free stock imagery that's been doctored to match the art style and colored. Here we have (wolf) riders, hordes, spears, shooters, and brutes (Trolls). The "Brutes" are permanently doubled warband that cost 3, as inspired by this post, as troll infantry doesn't really feel like the highly mobile behemoth unit. If the opponent is a stickler, they can be used as ordinary warband... I actually have half-sized units I made for the first iteration of this army. I made sure I was using US letter paper this time, and I felt the spatial crunch. It wasn't helped by the slightly awkward shape of the camp, and by having a fair number of units that take up space for their size. Goblins feels like an army that could use a lot of flexibility, relying on lots of spear or horde one game and lots of riders or shooters another. I'm actually tempted to make a backup sheet to put normal warband trolls, extra hordes (you haven't played until you've brought 12 hordes), some sword, and who knows what else. What makes a goblin army complete? my concept might be a little broad. This is not my favorite army, but its my first and its my most reliable. Whenever I need an army and I'm not sure what to grab, the goblins will always be handy.  |
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Post by derrickthewhite on Sept 29, 2021 16:45:32 GMT
This is a recreation of my roman army. The legionnaires are equipped with their iconic helmets, pila, and Scutum, plus either a gladius or a hasta, to form blades or spears. They are supported by the roman cavalry (riders), ballista (artillery), and a general (hero). This gives us five unit types, but I feel like only three are really part of the core force, which gives us a very homogenous force that should fight like romans: with masses of infantry. Distinguishing the spears and blades was surprisingly difficult: I ended up tilting the shields differently. The camp is rectangular with earthen walls. No Auxiliaries are included at this point. This army was recreated after it was lost. The icon roman helmet was actually preserved, having been made for a random hat in a horde of skeletons. I don't think I'm quite as happy with the symbol on the shields this time, but otherwise I think this army is upgraded. The Ballistas look much better and the roman standard is mostly historical. The horse art is based on a black and white stock icon I found, but colored individually. I really like the horses, which is something of a shame, because Rome was not exactly known for its skilled cavalry. I'll just have to make some more for my Napoleonics army. I wanted to make the background purple, but it wasn't really working, especially with the camp, which I didn't make the first time because I hadn't figured out just how vital camps and strongholds are the HotT. If anyone has suggestions for more roman units or art, let me know: I feel like this army could use a little something.  |
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Post by stevie on Sept 29, 2021 18:19:39 GMT
I can see why you like the horse artwork Derrickthewhite. đ
And I think that shield emblem looks perfect.
About the shields:-
Camillan and Polybian Legionaries (400-105 BC) had oval shields with some of them spearmen.
Marian and Caesarian Legionaries (105-25 BC) had oval shields but no spearmen.
Imperial Legionaries (25 BC to about 200 AD) had the classic squarish shields and no spears.
The Late Romans (200-475 AD) went back to oval shields, but with different emblems.
So why not have the spear carrying Legionaries with oval shields?
Then they could be either the earlier Romans with spears or Caesarâs sword carrying ones.
Just a thought.
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Post by derrickthewhite on Sept 30, 2021 15:21:25 GMT
I can see why you like the horse artwork Derrickthewhite. đ And I think that shield emblem looks perfect. About the shields:- Camillan and Polybian Legionaries (400-105 BC) had oval shields with some of them spearmen. Marian and Caesarian Legionaries (105-25 BC) had oval shields but no spearmen. Imperial Legionaries (25 BC to about 200 AD) had the classic squarish shields and no spears. The Late Romans (200-475 AD) went back to oval shields, but with different emblems. So why not have the spear carrying Legionaries with oval shields? Then they could be either the earlier Romans with spears or Caesarâs sword carrying ones. Just a thought. Oval Shields are simple enough to make: done and updated! You should be able to see them now. I'm glad you like the shield emblem. I suppose sometimes we remember something and we want to get exactly that instead of making what we have as good as we can. I suppose another thing that could be done to distinguish spearmen is to make them auxiliaries... though we have a lot less information on what those troops looked like. Having no spearmen and throwing a huge block of nothing but blades at the enemy... I suppose its roman enough. Not sure how well it works tactically against foes with a lot of mounted units. The blade and spear should do fairly well though. |
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Post by stevie on Sept 30, 2021 16:21:30 GMT
Very nice.  đ For Auxiliaries you could also give them oval shields, but in say blue with a different emblem, and no plumes on top of their helmets (and maybe give the mounted horsemen blue shields, as they were often Auxiliaries too, especially in Caesarâs and the Imperial Roman army). Of course HoTT doesnât have any âAuxiliaryâ type troopsâŚso I wonder if I can interest you with the following taken from this:- static.wikia.nocookie.net/fanaticus-dba/images/3/33/DETAILED_CRIB_SHEETS_for_HOTT_2.1.pdf/revision/latest?cb=20190123092614
Historical Ancient and Medieval Armies for HoTT (optional)
The HoTT rules work quite well with DBA elements to make historical looking armies, but I find that one troop class, that of Auxiliaries, is sadly missing.
What is needed is some sort of fast moving medium foot with a relatively low combat factor that is unaffected by any bad going terrain.
HoTT Warbands work quite well in this role, but to be a little bit more historical, I suggest the following minor rule adjustments for this new troop class:-
- Aux are the same as HoTT Warbands, but they neither give nor receive rear support, do not pursue, and they are not quick-killed by Behemoths (unless doubled).
Ordinary unchanged HoTT Warbands still represent the fierce charging impetuous tribal warriors that made up the bulk of the Gallic and Germanic armies.
I also use the DBA Army Lists to make following conversions:-
Chariots are either LCh (HoTT Riders), HCh (HoTT Knights), or SCh (also Knights). I represent DBA Light Horsemen as either HoTT Riders or Beasts.
While slingers, archers, and crossbowmen are adequately represented by HoTT Shooters, skirmishing DBA light Psiloi javelinmen are a bit of a problem.
They require a different range, different combat factors, interpenetrate differently, and have different combat outcomes than any existing HoTT element class.
So I leave them out, and assume that light javelin skirmishers are actually present...they are just not shown.
Armies with lots of DBA Psiloi troops I convert along these lines: two DBA Psiloi elements become one HoTT Slinger-Shooter element (the rest become Aux or Wb).
Other exotic troops, such as Gods, Dragons, Aerial Heroes, Airboats, and Flyers, I donât use in historical armies. I suppose Arthurâs Romano-British could have a
saintly Paladin, and Ancient Britons and Dark Age pagan Picts & Irish could have a Druid (Magician) while their Christian opponents have a Papal Legate (Cleric).
Elephants are obviously Behemoths, and one DBA Horde becomes two HoTT Hordes. Sneakers should probably only be available in civil wars, or as assassins.
Hilly barbarians that used ambushing guerilla tactics such as the Samnites, Thracians, Ancient Spanish and early Britons, should definitely have some Lurkers.
And only really, really good historical commanders, such as Alexander, Hannibal, Belisarius, Genghis Khan, or Tamburlaine, should be Mounted Heroes.
Example of a HoTT generic Ancient Spanish Army:-
1 x General (Riders), 1 x Light Horse (Riders, or Beasts for ambushing), 7 x Warriors (HoTT Auxiliaries), 2 x Slingers (Shooters), 2 x Ambushers (Lurkers).
Example of a HoTT generic Roman Army:-
1 x General (Riders), 1 x Cavalry (Riders), 5 x Legionaries (Blades), 2 x Reserves (Spears or Blades or Aux), 2 x Auxilia (HoTT Aux), 1 x Slingers or Archers (Shooters).
Alexander the Great for HoTT:-
General+Companions (Hero), 1 x Thessalians (Knights or Riders), 1 x Light Horse (Riders or Beasts), 1 x Hypaspists (Blade or Spear), 4 x Phalangites (Spears),
1 x Phalangites or Greek Hoplites (Spear), 1 x Archers (Shooters), 1 x Mercenary Peltasts or Thracians (HoTT Auxiliaries).
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Post by derrickthewhite on Sept 30, 2021 19:51:19 GMT
I'm not actually sure what "Auxillaries" are in a DBA context. In the roman context it means forces that aren't roman citizens, but are an official part of the army (as opposed to temporary allies). Cretan bowmen, Italian allies, Numidian horsemen, and so forth. The Auxiliaries I'm looking at in this context would be Italian or Gaulic allies, I think. What does the term mean for DBA?
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Post by menacussecundus on Sept 30, 2021 20:32:27 GMT
"Javelin-armed foot able to fight hand to hand but emphasising agility and flexibility rather than cohesion.....useful to chase off or support psiloi, to take or hold difficult terrain, as a link between heavier foot and mounted troops or occasionally as a mobile reserve."
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Post by derrickthewhite on Oct 1, 2021 17:55:55 GMT
Thank You. I suppose for Roman Auxillaries I'd probably make them spear. Do these HotT Aux manage to quick-kill most other foot if they win?
I'm experimenting with different spear setups. The blue shields seem to be throwing the color scheme off. I've got a different symbol of double laurel wreaths that I'm messing with. I'm still not quite happy with the results yet.
I'll probably finish the Napoleonics before working out the romans. The Napoleonics are proving a joy to work with: tall hats that leave the hair visible, expressive mustaches, and horses.
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Post by stevie on Oct 1, 2021 18:54:48 GMT
Thank You. I suppose for Roman Auxillaries I'd probably make them spear. Do these HotT Aux manage to quick-kill most other foot if they win? Only against Blades, Spears,and HordesâŚjust as Warbands do. They are a sort of weaker version of Warband, with no rear-support, that doesnât pursue and get themselves into trouble like Warbands do. Their combat factor of 3 (even with a âquick-killâ) still makes them weaker than troops with a combat factor of 5, as theyâll recoil most of the time, leaving their adjacent friends overlapped. I think making the Roman Auxiliaries Spears would be a big mistake. The problem with an all Blade army is they have no one that can fight in bad going, and no one that can avoid the Warband âquick killâ. The Romans knew this, so 50% of their armies consisted of Auxiliaries, who could face Warbands in bad going without being âquick killedâ. Camillan and Polybian Romans (400-105 BC) used Italian Auxiliaries. Marian and Caesarian Romans (105-25 BC) used local Auxiliaries. Imperial Romans (25 BC to about 200 AD) had their own regular trained Auxiliaries. The Late Romans (200-475 AD) increased the number of Auxiliaries, to face the Germans. If the idea of adding weakened Warbands to HoTT to create auxiliaries puts you off, then give them some proper Warbands for bad going fighting instead. (Even in my War Of The Worlds Martians and Doctor Who Dalek HoTT armies,
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Post by derrickthewhite on Oct 4, 2021 20:25:00 GMT
Bad Terrain... Yeah, the Romans will need an answer for that. Spear would be nice to help with mounted units, but I suppose not essential. Might end up doing both.
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