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Post by stevie on Aug 14, 2021 9:04:18 GMT
The HoTT 2.1 “Passing Over, Under, Or Through” section says that in certain situations
some troops can interpenetrate the enemy.
However, the following “Crossing The Enemy Front” section says elements in a 'ZOC'
can only move:-
* straight forwards
* to contact
* to line up
* to pass through
* or to move straight back (out of the ZOC)
So my question is this…is an element that has passed through an enemy free to move and
turn as it wishes for the rest of that bound after it has passed through and left the ZOC?
Or can it only move entirely straight forwards that bound to pass through and leave the ZOC?
Personally, I think it should be the latter…leaving a ZOC means straight forwards or back only.
After all, when an element backs out of a ZOC, it isn’t free to turn and move as it wishes that
bound, even when it becomes clear of the enemy ZOC.
What does the rest of the HoTT community think, as this is very important for Aerial troops.
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Post by derrickthewhite on Aug 19, 2021 13:40:02 GMT
I'm a newbie, but no one else is answering...
There seems to be an exception for moving through, over, or under another element, separate from moving in a strait line. I'd say that the passing element is free to move as it wishes, as long as it passes through fully.
Though that might indicate that fliers can go right over you and still have the move to turn around and engage your rear.
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Post by stevie on Aug 19, 2021 16:42:04 GMT
Thanks for the reply Derrickthewhite.
Yes, the rules are far from clear on this issue.
The case FOR Aerials having movement freedom when passing through to leave a ZOC
Page 16 “Crossing An Enemy Element’s Front”:-
The 5th bullet point only says “To pass through, over or under (the enemy),
and must clear the enemy base.”
(No other limitations are mentioned)
The 6th bullet point says “To move straight back.
Any remaining move must be in the same direction.”
(Note the extra move limitation when backing-out of a ZOC)
Therefore Aerials CAN move about as they wish after passing through and leaving the ZOC.
The case AGAINST having movement freedom when passing through to leave a ZOC
Page 16 “Crossing An Enemy Element’s Front”:-
The 3rd bullet point says “To contact the enemy by the shortest move.
It cannot so contact an enemy element’s flank or rear”.
Therefore Aerials CANNOT pass through, leave the ZOC, and then turn to attack those
passed-through in the rear, all in a single bound (although they can otherwise move as
they wish after passing through, unlike troops backing-out of a ZOC, who can only move
straight back for the entire bound).
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Post by derrickthewhite on Aug 19, 2021 18:12:37 GMT
Some of those bullet points are mutually exclusive, and the word used is "Any". I'd say that conditions for one bullet point won't apply to the other bullet point.
does "clearing" exclude landing in base contact? that might provide a safety valve.
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Post by stevie on Aug 20, 2021 9:02:54 GMT
Very well…if other HoTT players think that troops can pass through/under/over the
enemy to leave a ZOC, yet still turn to attack them in the rear, then I’ll do the same.
I’m not really that bothered either way.
It’s just that I don’t want to devise cunning plans only to be told they’re impossible,
or to ignore what my opponent is capable of and be blind to ways to neutralize them.
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Post by Simon on Aug 20, 2021 9:13:56 GMT
I don't think they can pass through/over/under and then attack that element as the 5th bullet under crossing an enemy's front says the move "must clear the enemy base", which doesn't sound like making contact to me.
Just my tuppence.
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Post by coyote139 on Aug 21, 2021 21:59:12 GMT
Effectively, an aerial element after it has overflown an ennemy element element, can do what it wants, but it cannot attack him on the rear because it has not started its movement behind the ennemy rear .
Yours sincerely
Claude
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Post by stevie on Aug 21, 2021 23:30:41 GMT
Now THAT is a very good point Claude. 👍 So then…troops passing through, under or over an enemy cannot attack them in the rear because:- (a) they have to ‘clear’ (i.e. not touch?) those they are passing through… (b) they must contact the ZOC generator by the shortest move, and passing through is longer… (c) plus lastly (and this is the clincher) they didn’t start the bound beyond the enemy’s rear edge. Any one of these would make it an illegal move…but all three together…? Well, I’d say we’ve reached a consensus on this issue.  |
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Post by zaotlichiye on Sept 2, 2021 17:15:12 GMT
Only (c) matters.
(a) Consider an element behind an enemy. It passes them. As soon as it can be placed on the table, it has "cleared". Rear to enemy front is an illegal contact. But if it reverses then it is making legal front to front contact. Not that you would ever do that... (I'm assuming that an element may reverse facing without actually wheeling.)
(b) An element in an (unobstructed) TZ may only leave by passing or withdrawing. If withdrawing, there is a specific prohibition on making subsequent contact. There is no such prohibition for passing.
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