Yes, true. I should have added that the 30mm deep infantry bases are 2 close order foot DBA bases for those who don't re-base in ADLG, and 40mm deep infantry bases are 2 loose order foot DBA bases for those who don't re-base in ADLG, or 3 ranks of Pk 40mm deep for those who elect to re-base for ADLG. It's basically as DBx-friendly as you can get.
I see where you're going though.
Last Edit: Jun 16, 2021 11:42:38 GMT by snowcat: the above was in response to Stevie's post, not Decebalus'.
New depth rules for DBA are the wrong way (and nobody will rebase their armies). Rules have to be written in a way, that base depth is absolutely irrelevant.
Having all ‘units’ (note the name change) on 1 BW deep ‘stands’ IS making depth irrelevant. They’ll all be the same.
I suppose you could have one DBA ‘element’ on a 1 BW deep ‘stand’ (but that looks crap for most foot). Or, since there’s room, have TWO DBA foot ‘elements’ on a ‘stand’ (which looks great and very realistic).
Not only does it make depth irrelevant, it also makes the number of figures per ‘stand’ irrelevant. Oh, they’ll still retain their current abilities, but the number of figures becomes purely decorative. Plus it makes playing on an actual or virtual grid dead simple.
And all it takes is a thin piece of card 1 BW square slipped beneath your existing DBA ‘bases’. I can’t make it simpler than that!
Have you seen the fast play 3x3 Portable Wargames (or FP3X3PW as it’s known) at all? In particular you might want to checkout the blog of Archduke Piccolo - he’s just fought an impressive Byzantine campaign chock full of action and ideas. And you can use figures/bases of any size, as long as you are consistent (and they fit in whatever size squares you’ve designed for the battlefield). Bob Cordery’s Wargaming Miscellany is another good place to check, as is the “The Portable Wargame” Facebook page. Cheers, Geoff
Hi Geoff. Yes I am following that and am looking forward to Bob Cordery's next book. I have increasingly become a fan of miniatures games on a grid, partly as a result of online Zoom games during COVID. They get rid of all the measuring faff!
Post by medievalthomas on Mar 21, 2022 21:40:01 GMT
Having already produced a DBX version that you can literlly teach an 8 year old (it replaces the need for One Hour Wargames) but can then be expanded to something to compete with ADLG MEG etc., I did ponder base depth.
Frontage needs to be the same of course (40mm for small scale stuff and 60mm for modern 28mm).
Depth should be grandfathered in so that no one needs to rebase. If you want to double base depth that's fine but to accomodate all I simple adjusted the Recoil Rule:
Mounted can Recoil 1 Base Depth OR 1 Base Width. Foot can Recoil 1 Base Depth OR 1/2 Base Width.
So base depth no longer critical.
I also allow rational figure counts: 4 figures for Heavy Types (Spear for example); 3 for Medium types (Bow for example) and 2 figures for Lights (Ps for example). This makes them easy to recognize and the figure count often equals their Combat Factor. Likewise you may optionally base Fast on deep bases (20mm for small scale and 30mm for 28s).
But in all cases you can also just use them as mounted as these options just make the game a bit easier to play (and if your starting a new army in 28mm much easier to mount).
So problem largely solved without anyone having to pop any figures.
They say a picture is worth a thousand words...so here are some showing the concept of having all the units on 40mm x 40mm ‘stands’ made from thin green card placed beneath the usual DBA elements and held in position with double-sided sticky tape for quick removal for when reverting back to convention games...so no re-basing is required. (One mounted DBA element per 40 x 40 stand, and two foot DBA elements per 40 x 40 stand)
II/33 Polybian Romans
What you see are:- 2 x Velites (Psiloi), 4 x Legionaries (4Bd), 2 x Italians (4Ax), 2 x Cavalry, and 2 x Triarii (Spears). Despite appearances there are 12 units in total, as usual.
II/11 Early Cisalpine Gauls (aggression 3)
These have:- 1 x Skirmishers (Psiloi), 6 x Warriors (4Wb), 2 x Cavalry, and 3 x Chariots (LCh, one is the General) These have deployed their 12 units to match the Roman battleline above.
The advantages of having everyone on 40 x 40 stands is:- * recoiling and pursuing becomes much simpler (they all recoil or pursue 1 BW)... * it makes playing on an actual or on a virtual grid so much easier (less micro-measuring)... * figures are less likely to fall over on hills (which is annoying)... * and it just looks soooo much better... It's even proportionally correct as well...Romans of this period had 10% of their force mounted, so with 72 foot figures, there should be about 7 or 8 mounted figures (6 is close enough).
You could even play a conventional game of DBA with these deep bases, with this addition:- If recoiling from a flank or rear and there isn’t room, stay where you are. If recoiling from an enemy front-edge and there isn’t room, you are destroyed. (Exception: recoiling Elephants trample and destroy all those not in a BUA or Camp, but other friendly units can be pushed back if facing the same direction)
It looks better...it’s simpler...and no re-basing is required...so what is there not to like?
Last Edit: Mar 23, 2022 12:37:49 GMT by stevie: ...give it a try...if you don't try it you'll never know...☺