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Post by Cromwell on Feb 6, 2021 10:01:58 GMT
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Post by Haardrada on Feb 6, 2021 12:58:28 GMT
Since they are Cavalry would it not be more apt to call it a trot? 😁
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Post by stevie on Feb 6, 2021 16:38:13 GMT
...and if the tactic don’t work, the element would be “a flush in the pan”.🤪 (Especially if they do poorly in combat and get 'wiped'...)
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Post by Cromwell on Feb 7, 2021 9:19:29 GMT
Well we have done it again! An interesting and informative discussion and exchange of ideas reduced to the level of toilet humour!
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Post by Haardrada on Feb 7, 2021 10:02:06 GMT
Well we have done it again! An interesting and informative discussion and exchange of ideas reduced to the level of toilet humour! You're Welcome... Anytime. 😁
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Post by Haardrada on Feb 7, 2021 11:46:07 GMT
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Post by timurilank on Feb 7, 2021 15:06:35 GMT
Haardrada,
Interesting website ‘All Empires History Forum’, very reminiscent of Total War Center. Pity that many illustrations and maps are no longer available.
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Post by stevie on Feb 7, 2021 17:05:00 GMT
Well we have done it again! An interesting and informative discussion and exchange of ideas reduced to the level of toilet humour! You're Welcome... Anytime. 😁 But sir, sir, he started it sir. ☝ Anyway, getting back on topic you naughty Stevie, ‘chained cavalry’ in DBA sounds more like a WWg than a 6Cv element. 6Cv:- +1 v foot in good going, yet still quick to move and charge. (Which don’t sound much like chained cavalry with bows, intended to quote "resist shock enemy cavalry" to me).WWg:-Shoots, difficult to move PIP wise, slow, doesn’t recoil, and can’t move or charge into contact. (This seems to fit the historical behaviour of chained cavalry with bows far more accurately)
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Post by paulhannah on Feb 7, 2021 17:20:07 GMT
WWg:-Shoots, difficult to move PIP wise, slow, doesn’t recoil, and can’t move or charge into contact. (This seems to fit the historical accounts of chained cavalry with bows far more accurately) And they get six of 'em. Chinese Hussites!
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Post by stevie on Feb 7, 2021 17:27:44 GMT
Well, up to four of them Paul, not six.
II/61b Mu-jung Hsien-pi (300-431 AD) 4 x horse archers (LH), or chained cavalry (?), or dust-throwing women on oxen (7Hd)...
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Post by paulhannah on Feb 7, 2021 20:19:20 GMT
Yep, I remembered that as I drove into work this AM. Corrected as noted.
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Post by snowcat on Feb 7, 2021 21:51:29 GMT
Perhaps it does answer for the fact that Ran Min's infantry were usually able to slip through the Murong Cavalry with ease. It could be the very reason why these particular Murong cavalry were deployed in a square and chained together to prevent this from happening. This is where the enemy infantry are more likely to be (central) rather than the wings.
I'd probably represent them as 8Bw. Armour, lances and 'chains' providing the close fighting component backed up by massed archery.
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