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Post by Cromwell on Jan 30, 2021 16:58:45 GMT
I have come across references to a DBA variant for WW2. I believe there is a DBA and a HoTT version but for the life of me I cannot find either. Does anyone know of these? I have a 2mm German and British army kicking their heels in the barracks. All the rules I have used so far for them are just too complex, such things as if you fire an anti tank shell at a Panzer on a Thursday with a cross wind of 5mph and a roll of 6 you hit it! If it's before tea time and the gunner isn't on a fag break you destroy it!
Give me DBA anytime!
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Post by stevie on Jan 31, 2021 2:17:43 GMT
Personally, I like to use HoTT for WWII rather than DBA.
I have an infantry ‘company’ as an element of Shooters, although Japanese infantry are Warbands (obviously), and early Soviet infantry before Stalingrad are Hordes (plus some SMG German SS infantry could also be Blades).
Allied tank ‘platoons’ are Knights representing Grants, Shermans, Churchills, Cromwells (!), T-34’s and Pz-III/Pz-IV’s. Heavy tanks such as Tigers, Panthers, and the like are Behemoths.
British Bren Gun Carriers, American Half-Tracks, and German Sd.Kfz 250 and Sd.Kfz 251 Hanomags are Riders.
Fighters are obviously Flyers, twin-engined medium tactical bombers are Airboats, and Allied four-engined heavy strategic bombers are Dragons (with fighter escorts on the same base to explain their high aerial combat factor)
The rest are pretty straightforward...partisans are Lurkers, anti-tank guns are Artillery (with anti-aircraft ‘Flak’ guns), and self-propelled howitzers are Magicians (who's range and indirect fire makes them ideal, with some AA guns on the base). Battleships giving shore bombardment could even be islands with Howitzer-Magicians on them.
Of course, it’s entirely up to you...
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Post by jim1973 on Jan 31, 2021 6:40:31 GMT
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Post by martin on Jan 31, 2021 8:52:49 GMT
I have come across references to a DBA variant for WW2. I believe there is a DBA and a HoTT version but for the life of me I cannot find either. Does anyone know of these? I have a 2mm German and British army kicking their heels in the barracks. All the rules I have used so far for them are just too complex, such things as if you fire an anti tank shell at a Panzer on a Thursday with a cross wind of 5mph and a roll of 6 you hit it! If it's before tea time and the gunner isn't on a fag break you destroy it! Give me DBA anytime! Hi Cromwell One option would be The Portable Wargame, by Bob Cordery. This uses a grid (either squared or hexes). In his earliest book (of that name) there’s a set of early to mid C20th rules, and in Developing the Portable Wargame he expands on the earlier rules, adding some chrome,inc air support, and more differentiation between types (light/medium/heavy tanks eg, scout car vs armoured car). The rules are simple, but they work well (I’ve used them for solo a lot), and are also very easy to tweak if you feel you want to adjust things ‘your way’ (I’ve made minor changes, without ‘breaking’ the core set). If you went for these, I’d recommend reading the Portable Wargame book first, as it sets out a lot of the thinking behind using a gridded battlefield. (Personally, I’m smitten.....breath of fresh air, compared to all the complicated sets around). Both books are on Amazon uk and also ebay (Amazon cheaper atm). I’ve just finished two armies in 1/300 for this set of rules. Also, the One Hour Wargames (Neil Thomas) WW2 rules might work, though not sure with 2mm, unless you mass based stuff(?).
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Post by Cromwell on Jan 31, 2021 9:41:00 GMT
Thanks! They look interesting.
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Post by Cromwell on Jan 31, 2021 9:43:49 GMT
Some really great ideas here. I did try Neil Thomas' One Hour Wargames and they worked okay with 2mm. I use bases 40mm x 20mm with 3 x tanks or 2 x Infantry strips mounted on them.
Like the sound of HoTT
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Post by martin on Jan 31, 2021 11:54:43 GMT
Some really great ideas here. I did try Neil Thomas' One Hour Wargames and they worked okay with 2mm. I use bases 40mm x 20mm with 3 x tanks or 2 x Infantry strips mounted on them. What size of table and movement rates did you use for OHW with 2mm? Was it still a 3’ table, and 12” firing range, or did you go to eg centimetres?
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Post by hammurabi70 on Jan 31, 2021 14:44:55 GMT
I have come across references to a DBA variant for WW2. I believe there is a DBA and a HoTT version but for the life of me I cannot find either. Does anyone know of these? I have a 2mm German and British army kicking their heels in the barracks. All the rules I have used so far for them are just too complex, such things as if you fire an anti tank shell at a Panzer on a Thursday with a cross wind of 5mph and a roll of 6 you hit it! If it's before tea time and the gunner isn't on a fag break you destroy it! Give me DBA anytime! I have a couple of versions downloaded long ago. You seem to have rather tactical rules; I would suggest a somewhat higher level. I can email you what I have but I have never tried them so cannot comment on their utility.
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Post by Cromwell on Jan 31, 2021 20:14:39 GMT
Some really great ideas here. I did try Neil Thomas' One Hour Wargames and they worked okay with 2mm. I use bases 40mm x 20mm with 3 x tanks or 2 x Infantry strips mounted on them. What size of table and movement rates did you use for OHW with 2mm? Was it still a 3’ table, and 12” firing range, or did you go to eg centimetres? I used 3@ table and kept the inches. That I believe may have been a mistake.
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Post by Cromwell on Jan 31, 2021 20:15:34 GMT
I have come across references to a DBA variant for WW2. I believe there is a DBA and a HoTT version but for the life of me I cannot find either. Does anyone know of these? I have a 2mm German and British army kicking their heels in the barracks. All the rules I have used so far for them are just too complex, such things as if you fire an anti tank shell at a Panzer on a Thursday with a cross wind of 5mph and a roll of 6 you hit it! If it's before tea time and the gunner isn't on a fag break you destroy it! Give me DBA anytime! I have a couple of versions downloaded long ago. You seem to have rather tactical rules; I would suggest a somewhat higher level. I can email you what I have but I have never tried them so cannot comment on their utility. Thanks email messaged to you
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Post by Cromwell on Feb 2, 2021 9:27:34 GMT
Thanks for the rules they look very interesting I will try them out this week and feed back.
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Post by Cromwell on Feb 2, 2021 16:34:59 GMT
I had time today to try out the DBA WW2 rules kindly forwarded to me by hammurabi70.
I have to say they are just what I was looking for.
Plays fast and gives satisfying results.
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Post by elliesdad on Feb 2, 2021 17:26:24 GMT
I had time today to try out the DBA WW2 rules kindly forwarded to me by hammurabi70. I have to say they are just what I was looking for. Plays fast and gives satisfying results. That sounds good Cromwell. I see you have some 2mm WW2 images on your website. Are those old/previous images, or images of “this” game? I’m curious to see the “look” of a DBA WW2 game, as I’m not sure how the elements would group together in a realistic manner. Keep safe & take care, Geoff
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Post by Cromwell on Feb 3, 2021 9:37:14 GMT
I had time today to try out the DBA WW2 rules kindly forwarded to me by hammurabi70. I have to say they are just what I was looking for. Plays fast and gives satisfying results. That sounds good Cromwell. I see you have some 2mm WW2 images on your website. Are those old/previous images, or images of “this” game? I’m curious to see the “look” of a DBA WW2 game, as I’m not sure how the elements would group together in a realistic manner. Keep safe & take care, Geoff The pictures on my web page are old ones. The game depicted there was played using PZII rules. Being 2mm I use 40mm bases and place 2 x Infantry units per base, 3 x Tanks per base. I found units grouped well in the DBA version. Groups do not stay groups long, as units retreat etc. Also I had an Infantry base grouped with a tank base, As they advanced towards some soft going (Farm land with hedges etc) I moved the Infantry ahead to clear the way for the Tanks. Just as well I did as at the edge of the farm was a hidden base of self-propelled anti-tank guns which the Infantry knocked out. If the tanks had blundered ahead "Goodnight Vienna! The Fat Lady sings!" for the tanks.
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Post by elliesdad on Feb 3, 2021 19:37:08 GMT
So at least it gives a reasonably realistic game. Excellent. Please post more pics if you get chance 😀
Cheers,
Geoff
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