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Post by Gamot on Nov 12, 2020 14:26:47 GMT
Hello.
I have a plan to build an army of Indo-Scythians.
More precisely the Western satraps that I could oppose to our Kuchans and Satavahana Indians.
At the club we already have several Indian armies from that time.
I'm not sure which list to use.
List I / 43b is classic but it lacks any Indian subjects or allies.
The Kushan list (II/46) isn't accurate i think because of the 4Kn elements.
List I / 43c could be suitable because the Massagetes seem attested in the Saka coalition which invades India and that it is possible to align a mountain Indian ally (II / 2). This ally is not, however, representative of the Indians available to the Western satraps since they are in II / 2 pikemen.
Another solution I have explored would be to represent the army using the list of Huns Hephthalites in India (II / 80) I know Huns and Scythians are ethnically very different but the list might fit better.
The fourth and last hypothesis would be to consider that these Scythians were deeply Indianized and to play them in II / 3b by taking the maximum number of cavalry as well as the lone LH available. Using the Scythian figurines. But I don't know if that would be legitimate historically.
How would you represent them?
Which list would you recommend?
The Scythians in India seem to have retained their classical appearance.
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Post by timurilank on Nov 12, 2020 14:46:36 GMT
You may want to consider the Classical Indian list II/3b (179 AD – 545 AD) and expand the Saka component.
Chariots were eventually replaced by cavalry and these could be extra Saka.
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Post by Gamot on Nov 12, 2020 15:03:29 GMT
This is the fourth hypothesis I had discussed. It is indeed the one that I like the most.
However, I wondered about the transformation of the Scythian classics LH into Cv.
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Post by timurilank on Nov 12, 2020 16:27:09 GMT
Scythian strength lay with their skirmishing tactics (LH), but you might have nobles gather about the general as his guard (Cv).
The single element of Saka represent mercenaries, however for your purposes this could expand as an allied contingent of 1 x Cv and 2 x LH.
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Post by aristonicus on Jan 17, 2021 4:22:18 GMT
I've been considering this list for a bit, as there is not really a good approximate one in the book. So, perhaps the following:
I/43d Indo-Skythian 130BC - 400 AD: 1 x General (3Kn), 1 x Noble Cavalry (3Kn), 6 x Horse Archers (LH), 2 x Horse Archers (LH) or Hill Tribe Spearmen (3Pk) or Indian Archers (3/4Bw), 1 x Horse Archers (LH) 1 x Hill Tribe Archers (Ps) or Elephants (El), 1 x Horse Archers (LH) or Hill Tribe Cavalry (LH) or Indian Levies (7Hd)
Terrain Type: Tropical. Aggression: 2. Enemies: II/2, II/3b, II/36b, II/37, II/43d, II/46a, II/46b. Allies: II/3b, II/36b, II/37, II/46a, II/46b.
A Suren Indo-Parthian (95 BC - 75 AD) list would not be too dissimilar, just replace the 3Kn with 4Kn and delete the Indo-Greeks and Kushans from the allies.
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Post by mwise on Jan 17, 2021 10:44:59 GMT
You may wish to look at this article: www.persee.fr/doc/topoi_1161-9473_2001_num_11_1_1939It is in French and can be downloaded, but does have very good illustrations of Indo-Scythian cavalry on armoured and unarmoured horses, List II/3b would likely be the most suitable with maybe General (3Kn), and Noble Cavalry (3Kn) using Kushan style cavalry made by Khurasan Miniatures. |
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