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Post by snowcat on Nov 3, 2020 5:04:18 GMT
In the DBN Revolutionary French 1794-1799 List, the first compulsory option is 6-10xMs (50%Ms/LI (M) ).
What does this mean? That 1/2 the 6-10 must be Militia, and can be either Ms or LI? Or that half can be Ms or LI, but the LI must be Militia?
And one of the cavalry options reads: 0-2xLC(M)*
The * indicates that 1 of these units may be deployed as Skirmishing Cavalry and where applicable, as an option, 1 unit may be upgraded to Superior Light Cavalry. So which of these options are actually available to the 0-2xLC(M)*? I'm guessing only the Skirmish Cavalry option is available, because to upgrade to Superior Light Cavalry from Militia seems inapplicable (to me).
Thanks.
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Post by timurilank on Nov 3, 2020 8:31:18 GMT
I do not have the new version, but this should denote 6 – 10 Musket armed infantry (Ms).
Adding the 50% Ms/LI (M) seems confusing as LI should have a separate line.
Superior Light Cavalry?
Strange as most historians rate the French cavalry of the Revolutionary period as performing poorly.
Presumably, the superior LC are the 8th Hussars who captured the Dutch fleet at Den Helder (1795).
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Post by snowcat on Nov 3, 2020 8:40:22 GMT
The 'normal' LI follow that confusing Ms option, 0-2 of them.
Re 'Superior Light Cavalry' option - I suspect it may only be applicable as an upgrade to non-Militia Light Cavalry. As the * belongs to Militia cavalry in this early French list, I suspect their only upgrade option is to be deployed as Skirmishing Cavalry, which makes historical sense for the 1794-99 period. The 'normal' Light Cavalry option: 0-1 LC doesn't have an *, so may not be upgraded in any way.
I'm more confident of my interpretation of the Light Cavalry options than what is meant by the Ms/LI option.
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Post by Cromwell on Nov 3, 2020 8:45:34 GMT
I have to admit the army lists mystify me a bit. And to be honest as I mainly play solo I build my armies loosely based on the army lists not religiously conforming to them. Part because as I said I cannot always interpret them as I think they are intended to be.
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Post by snowcat on Nov 3, 2020 9:03:01 GMT
I might ask Alex Testo directly later tonight, and report back what he says.  |
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Post by jim1973 on Nov 3, 2020 10:48:09 GMT
In the DBN Revolutionary French 1794-1799 List, the first compulsory option is 6-10xMs (50%Ms/LI (M) ).
What does this mean? That 1/2 the 6-10 must be Militia, and can be either Ms or LI? Or that half can be Ms or LI, but the LI must be Militia? I think your first thought is correct as far as I read the rules. Jim |
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Post by jim1973 on Nov 3, 2020 10:51:15 GMT
And one of the cavalry options reads: 0-2xLC(M)*
The * indicates that 1 of these units may be deployed as Skirmishing Cavalry and where applicable, as an option, 1 unit may be upgraded to Superior Light Cavalry. So which of these options are actually available to the 0-2xLC(M)*? I'm guessing only the Skirmish Cavalry option is available, because to upgrade to Superior Light Cavalry from Militia seems inapplicable (to me). Superior Light Cavalry is very restricted and as described in the rules "is very much an optional rule". However, Appendix B, gives alist of the units capable of being considered Superior Light Cavalry, and you are correct, they don't include your time period. Cheers Jim |
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Post by snowcat on Nov 3, 2020 11:11:34 GMT
And one of the cavalry options reads: 0-2xLC(M)*
The * indicates that 1 of these units may be deployed as Skirmishing Cavalry and where applicable, as an option, 1 unit may be upgraded to Superior Light Cavalry. So which of these options are actually available to the 0-2xLC(M)*? I'm guessing only the Skirmish Cavalry option is available, because to upgrade to Superior Light Cavalry from Militia seems inapplicable (to me). Superior Light Cavalry is very restricted and as described in the rules "is very much an optional rule". However, Appendix B, gives alist of the units capable of being considered Superior Light Cavalry, and you are correct, they don't include your time period. Cheers Jim Aha! I hadn't read that yet. Excellent, thanks. Nice to be right. |
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Post by snowcat on Nov 3, 2020 11:13:07 GMT
In the DBN Revolutionary French 1794-1799 List, the first compulsory option is 6-10xMs (50%Ms/LI (M) ).
What does this mean? That 1/2 the 6-10 must be Militia, and can be either Ms or LI? Or that half can be Ms or LI, but the LI must be Militia? I think your first thought is correct as far as I read the rules. Jim Yes, that was my leaning. I'll still ask Alex for confirmation. Thanks again. |
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Post by Baldie on Nov 3, 2020 22:15:26 GMT
Been watching the DBN games on you tube. Cant wait for my Baccus order to arrive.
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Post by snowcat on Nov 3, 2020 22:51:25 GMT
Just in from Alex: "The ‘50%Ms/LI(M)’ means at least half of your total amount of Musket Infantry is Ms/LI Militia Class (each costing ½ a point) ‘Ms/LI’ is a Special Unit Type (see rule 11.2.2. Superior Light Infantry ) These units are the Massed Demi Brigades of Revolutionary Infantry. They were reasonably enthusiastic in battle but not well drilled or trained, therefore adopted a much more flexible and adaptable mass formation when manoeuvring. This is all reflected in the unique designation of Ms/LI(M). A Ms/LI unit can change from Ms class to LI class and back again to suit the situation (all explained in 11.2.2) From a players point of view, they are cheap and useful. The LI units and LC units and the Ms units are the Old Regular Army." So we didn't have it quite right. Makes more sense now. |
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Post by snowcat on Nov 3, 2020 22:57:37 GMT
Been watching the DBN games on you tube. Cant wait for my Baccus order to arrive. Aren't they great! (Sometimes the camera misbehaves, and moments of a battle go 'missing', but overall really useful.) It's amazing how the game still conveys the feel of Napoleonics from a grand tactical view, with the nuances of the period, but without getting bogged down in extraneous detail. There are many aspects of the system I like, especially the 'attrition' rules which are a must. I'm now just coming to grips with a very early period French army for the game and the challenges that will provide. Then I make my shopping list. |
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