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Post by haywire on Sept 6, 2020 12:24:57 GMT
I'm thinking of making a I/53 Saitic Egyptian army to complement my II/7 Persians, II/5b Athens, and I/56a Kyreneans (all Xyston). I see Essex do an army pack, but the figures look a bit un-refined (at least in the photos). Ditto Magister Militum. Greg, on the Facebook group, suggested using a mix of figures from Xyston, but they may look too much like my other armies. Does anyone have a I/53 army? Any suggestions or comments? Thanks, IanH www.iandrea.co.uk/wargames/DBA/index.html |
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Post by mthrguth on Sept 6, 2020 12:57:19 GMT
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Post by haywire on Sept 6, 2020 14:23:39 GMT
The Xyston spearmen are great. But I'm struggling to find some Xyston bowmen that look suitably Egyptian.
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Post by mthrguth on Sept 7, 2020 1:13:32 GMT
Museum miniatures might fit well with xyston, minimally smaller. I like the unpainted bald archer on their website.
My initial suggestions were wrong. First, there is some advantage to using ranges that are all the same size, and Xyston are almost 20mm! (Don't hate, I spent hours getting 4 Xyston cataphracts on bases).
If you really want a challenge, go to the old Minifigs. Use the Assyrian spearman as your Egyptian spearman, then there are also Egyptian marines with axe. See how you are with replacing spears, and getting older figures to come alive.
But, here is much better advice. Go to Splintered Light Miniatures fantasy 15mm/17mm Egyptian. Skip the sons of Horus, or don't use many of them. I like sons of Anubis much better. Sprinkle some of those in with your Essex 15mm figures for real Egyptian flavor. Maybe a daughter of Bhat as well. Might throw in a few Assyrian deserters, use Old Glory 15mm fantasy men of Ashur. An unsung alternative to all Assyrian figure ranges).
I have both Essex and Xyston figures for this army. The Essex are good if you add a bunch of command figures, and I think there are a couple of poses in the Egyptian spear pack.
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Post by haywire on Sept 7, 2020 18:53:03 GMT
I think the Splintered Light stuff is a bit too fantasy for me. I shall research further and will let you guys know what I decide. Thanks for the suggestions.
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Post by nangwaya on Sept 8, 2020 19:29:20 GMT
I think the Splintered Light stuff is a bit too fantasy for me. I shall research further and will let you guys know what I decide. Thanks for the suggestions. Here is a link (originally provided by timurilank), to a list and description of many 15mm suppliers: link
I think I saw some fine looking Egyptian figures from a few of them. I must admit that I really like the many Egyptian figures available through Magister Militum... lots of variety, nice sculpts, and a pleasure to paint up. I actually just ordered a bunch more Egyptians (ENK14, ENK19, ENK4), and was notified this morning that they have shipped! Hope you find some figures that you suit you! |
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Post by player on Feb 28, 2023 17:07:07 GMT
I am at a loss in finding suitable Egyptian archers for this period. All figures are for the new kingdom or old/middle period. I think the only figures suitable will have to be Numidian bowmen due to the tunic and bare head - no address.
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Post by timurilank on Feb 28, 2023 17:52:33 GMT
I am at a loss in finding suitable Egyptian archers for this period. All figures are for the new kingdom or old/middle period. I think the only figures suitable will have to be Numidian bowmen due to the tunic and bare head - no address. Looking at illustrations for the Saitic infantry in Armies of the Ancient Near East 3,000 BC to 539 BC, these wear a knee length short sleeved tunic armed with bow or javelin. Javelin armed carry a round shield, other illustrations one wearing a woven helmet. With some minor conversion, Old Glory SE6 Weshwesh may fit the bill by clipping the horns and decorative spike on the helmet. The pack comes with 12 archers and 12 javelinmen. I found some in my collection this afternoon. |
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Post by player on Feb 28, 2023 20:21:55 GMT
My choice for the Saitic archers is xyston Numidian archers as they have the same hair style and tunic as the AANE illustration. I would also assume that the standard archers would not have helmets, unlike the weshwesh figures by old glory. The Xyston Numidians also do not have beards. For the Guard archers (I play FOG and bigger battles so require more troop types) I will use the essex dismounted chariot archers, which have armour. Essex also have the javelinmen/spearmen with round shield for the 26th dynasty and the later spearmen with the long shield.
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Post by Les1964 on Feb 28, 2023 22:33:14 GMT
For the Guard archers (I play FOG and bigger battles so require more troop types) I will use the essex dismounted chariot archers, which have armour. Magister Militum do KUE1 Kushite Bowmen ?  |
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Post by Ken Gordon on Mar 1, 2023 13:21:10 GMT
I was lazy and used this essex figure because I had some spare. www.essexminiatures.co.uk/collections/15mm-egyptian/products/ank7I can however recommend this book if you are interested in the period. Egypt of the Saite pharaohs, 664-525 BC amzn.eu/d/3GSoEnqOne passage reads: “… Ahmose II continued to maintain a strong army, powerfully reinforced by Greek mercenaries. During this period a significant proportion of the army consisted of reserve soldiers, native Egyptians who supported themselves when not on campaigns. Herodotus used the Greek term ‘warriors’ or machimoi to identify these forces. Because of the origins of the Dynasty the army was largely inherited from Egyptian-‘Libyan’ military forces that included infantrymen, archers and a cavalry corps which was being developed, initially to patrol the extensive frontier zones, before later being used on the battlefield.56 The need for increased military forces led the Saites to include more and more foreign mercenary soldiers, who were paid in land-holdings as well as in wages. There are records of them in administrative and legal papyri, on private stelae and in Egyptian and Assyrian royal inscriptions. In addition, they are mentioned in Classical sources, and their presence is demonstrated by graffiti such as that at Abu Simbel and Carian graffiti at Wadi el-Shatt el-Regal and Gebel el-Silsila.57 Such evidence indicates that the mercenaries came from mainland Greece, the Aegean islands, Caria, Lydia, Libya, Kush, Phoenicia, Aram, Israel and Judah….” Which I used as a justification for a variety of figures. |
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