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Post by larryr on Apr 2, 2020 18:04:26 GMT
Only a couple elements away from completing my first HYW French and English armies. First DBA for that matter. How does one capture units that are named "Gascon, Genoese, Breton" since in the end they are represented as (4Cb or 3 Cb etc..) I'm sure you can paint them all with standard colors which I am not sure of the historical accuracy and with lack of specific references is hard to do. Am I over thinking as a result of my Napoleonic painting days??
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Post by timurilank on Apr 2, 2020 18:59:05 GMT
Only a couple elements away from completing my first HYW French and English armies. First DBA for that matter. How does one capture units that are named "Gascon, Genoese, Breton" since in the end they are represented as (4Cb or 3 Cb etc..) I'm sure you can paint them all with standard colors which I am not sure of the historical accuracy and with lack of specific references is hard to do. Am I over thinking as a result of my Napoleonic painting days?? You do have the option to paint them with a particular colour scheme, for example, using the city armorial colour.
Medieval armies, I prefer painting banners which not only look nice but would have a practical function as a wind indicator. No need for a standard bearer as you can fix a banner to an element’s base.
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Post by gregorius on Apr 2, 2020 23:33:25 GMT
Only a couple elements away from completing my first HYW French and English armies. First DBA for that matter. How does one capture units that are named "Gascon, Genoese, Breton" since in the end they are represented as (4Cb or 3 Cb etc..) I'm sure you can paint them all with standard colors which I am not sure of the historical accuracy and with lack of specific references is hard to do. Am I over thinking as a result of my Napoleonic painting days?? Go with a livery to match the respective ducal/city colours. Cheers, |
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Post by larryr on Apr 3, 2020 14:19:51 GMT
Thank you both for the advice, will do more research on the ducal/city colors and livery and go with that. I think in end it will set these units apart from the regular units. Thanks again.
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Post by Roland on Apr 15, 2020 13:01:25 GMT
Only a couple elements away from completing my first HYW French and English armies. First DBA for that matter. How does one capture units that are named "Gascon, Genoese, Breton" since in the end they are represented as (4Cb or 3 Cb etc..) I'm sure you can paint them all with standard colors which I am not sure of the historical accuracy and with lack of specific references is hard to do. Am I over thinking as a result of my Napoleonic painting days?? You do have the option to paint them with a particular colour scheme, for example, using the city armorial colour.
Medieval armies, I prefer painting banners which not only look nice but would have a practical function as a wind indicator. No need for a standard bearer as you can fix a banner to an element’s base.
If you want to give a solid distinction beyond the purely utilitarian (3 versus 4 Cb basing) there are some pretty good visual ways of identifying them. Genoese are by far the easiest to start with. Firstly, these represent elite (read: expensive) professional troops for hire. They should be well turned out in the latest harness for the period you're modeling. They also were known for deploying with pavises to stage up behind. ( honestly I wished they were depicted as double based Cb with pavisiers mixed in but they are not so, just 4Cb). Red Cross of St. George on white field is the city symbol and should appear on things like shields and tunics. Also, black eagles on yellow fields seem to be another common symbol of the medieval city but cannot establish its provenance.
French municipal crossbowmen can be depicted in the liveries of the towns they're from ( either with or without pavises). Because the 14th and 15th century illustrations of Bretons hints and some distinctive regional dress ( emphasis on hints) I like to depict such troops as more lightly armored and usually wearing hoods/coifs. To be honest there is no reason you could not use generic crossbowmen with period correct armor but again, I like doing this to create a specific feel.
Gascons were heavily English influenced so really, any period correct armor will do. Since lots of professional troops seemed to have been recruited from that area, I would probably make them at least reasonably well equipped ( but again, this is more my speculation than any hard facts)
Cheers
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Post by larryr on Apr 16, 2020 2:07:59 GMT
Thank you for the advice Roland that helps me out a great deal.
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