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Post by tifast on Feb 29, 2020 11:50:47 GMT
Hello,
I would like to build the opposing armies for Gaugamela. Do I need II/12 and II/7?
II/7 : Later Achaemenid Persian 420 BC - 329 BC
II/12: Alexandrian Macedonian 359 BC - 319 BC
Thank you
Additionally, I do not see any archer for the Persians, is this normal?
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Post by paddy649 on Feb 29, 2020 14:34:44 GMT
Those are the armies I’d use.
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Post by j on Feb 29, 2020 16:24:41 GMT
I use a variant house rule I came across somewhere on this site giving the option to change the 3 x kardakes (4Ax) or takabara (3Ax) or mercenary hoplites (Sp) to 3Bw due to references of a "hailstorm of arrows" in some accounts. Don't know how accurate it is but it does help out LAP
Regards,
j
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Post by tifast on Feb 29, 2020 20:30:43 GMT
thank you
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Post by stevie on Mar 1, 2020 0:56:52 GMT
The II/7 Later Persians have a wide range of element options Tifast (Gilles) . Being an historical player, here for what it’s worth is what I use for the Persians:- Battle of Granicus (334 BC): 1 x 3Kn General, 2 x CV, 2 x LH, 5 x Sp (mercenary hoplites), 2 x Ps.
(maximum mercenary hoplites)
Battle of Issus (333 BC): 1 x LCh General (Darius), 2 x Cv, 2 x LH, 3 x Sp (hoplites), 2 x 4/3Ax, 1 x Ps, 1 x 7Hd.
(as ‘J’ says, maybe swap the Ax for 3Bw, as some historians say there was an ‘arrow storm’)
Battle of Gaugamela (331 BC): 1 x LCh General (Darius), 2 x Cv, 2 x LH, 1 x SCh, 1 x Sp (hoplites), 3 x 3Ax/3Bw, 1 x Ps, 1 x 7Hd.
(notice how the Persians are becoming poorer and poorer in quality after each defeat)I also like to use ‘decorative double-bases’ (see fanaticus.boards.net/post/10670 ) to represent the huge numbers of useless foot the Persians had. Alexander will of course be: 1 x 3Kn (Alex with his Companions), 1 x Cv, 1 x LH, 1 x Hypaspists (see below), 6 x 4Pk, 1 x Sp, 1 x Ps.
( I like to treat the Hypaspists as if they were 3Bd...see fanaticus.boards.net/thread/520/alexander-hypaspists-blades )
If you’re interested, an account of the above can be seen in a campaign setting in the appendix at the back of this:- vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fanaticus-dba/images/4/41/TIME_OF_DAY_DISPLAY.pdf/revision/latest?cb=20170212182516(Look for “Map-Less Wars, Example #2, Alexander’s Conquest of Persia. You may need to click on “see the full size image” to read the file) Some Helpful Downloads can be found here: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
And here is the latest Jan 2020 FAQ: ancientwargaming.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/dba_faq_q1_2020_final.pdf |
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Post by tifast on Mar 1, 2020 10:16:58 GMT
The II/7 Later Persians have a wide range of element options Tifast (Gilles) . Being an historical player, here for what it’s worth is what I use for the Persians:- Battle of Granicus (334 BC): 1 x 3Kn General, 2 x CV, 2 x LH, 5 x Sp (mercenary hoplites), 2 x Ps.
(maximum mercenary hoplites)
Battle of Issus (333 BC): 1 x LCh General (Darius), 2 x Cv, 2 x LH, 3 x Sp (hoplites), 2 x 4/3Ax, 1 x Ps, 1 x 7Hd.
(as ‘J’ says, maybe swap the Ax for 3Bw, as some historians say there was an ‘arrow storm’)
Battle of Gaugamela (331 BC): 1 x LCh General (Darius), 2 x Cv, 2 x LH, 1 x SCh, 1 x Sp (hoplites), 3 x 3Ax/3Bw, 1 x Ps, 1 x 7Hd.
(notice how the Persians are becoming poorer and poorer in quality after each defeat)I also like to use ‘decorative double-bases’ (see fanaticus.boards.net/post/10670 ) to represent the huge numbers of useless foot the Persians had. Alexander will of course be: 1 x 3Kn (Alex with his Companions), 1 x Cv, 1 x LH, 1 x Hypaspists (see below), 6 x 4Pk, 1 x Sp, 1 x Ps.
( I like to treat the Hypaspists as if they were 3Bd...see fanaticus.boards.net/thread/520/alexander-hypaspists-blades )
If you’re interested, an account of the above can be seen in a campaign setting in the appendix at the back of this:- vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fanaticus-dba/images/4/41/TIME_OF_DAY_DISPLAY.pdf/revision/latest?cb=20170212182516(Look for “Map-Less Wars, Example #2, Alexander’s Conquest of Persia. You may need to click on “see the full size image” to read the file) Some Helpful Downloads can be found here: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
And here is the latest Jan 2020 FAQ: ancientwargaming.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/dba_faq_q1_2020_final.pdfThank you Steve, I will preciously keep all this information. I wanted to use Baccus figures (6mm) to build the army at the ratio of 4x6mm for 1 15mm. Unfortunately Baccus packs contains 3 to 4 times the number of figures I need. Maybe I do this in 10mm, as I will build both armies, it should be fine. Edit: will definitely adopt the double base idea for the Persians, it is an excellent idea! |
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Post by tifast on Mar 2, 2020 9:02:09 GMT
Eventually 10mm turned out quite expensive. Found Rapier figures in 6mm that allowed to pick only what I need for a DBA game.
Project's on!
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Post by Baldie on Mar 2, 2020 13:47:14 GMT
Rapier are pretty good.
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Post by jdesmond on Mar 3, 2020 1:04:54 GMT
The first edition DBA rules (dated March 1990 - 30 years! ) included A Gaugamela OOB, 52 elements of Persians and 40 of Macedonians. Will scan and zap off copies if anyone interested (probably not till I'm back from Cold Wars.)
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